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Originally posted by Cloud9
I'm sticking with DarkCloud's opinion on this matter.
I'm sticking with DarkCloud's opinion on this matter.
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Then I would urge both you and DarkCloud to reconsider the matter.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures
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Oh sure. I've got an appendix, but I don't have an embryo.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Just for my own understanding, you do realize the biological differences between your appendix and an embryo, right?<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures </p>Comment
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Re: Re: This is why I don't usually read these threads anymore
That's good to know.Originally posted by loinburger
Oh sure. I've got an appendix, but I don't have an embryo.
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Alright, then I'll revise the statement to "My body parts cannot survive separate from me, just like the zygote and embryo cannot survive separate from a body."Originally posted by November Adam
That's irrelevant to being classified as a host, if the mother is a host than the embryo is a parasite, thus a seperate creature.
At least, you hope it doesn't.Second this "body part" is developing it's own body parts. My kidney does not do this.
The embryo does behave differently from other body parts, as it is one of the few body parts solely devoted to procreation (the sperm and egg cells being the other body parts) and it is the only body part with non-native DNA. Unusual, yes, but that is hardly unexpected given that the embryo is such a specialized body part.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures </p>Comment
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y?Originally posted by loinburger
Then I would urge both you and DarkCloud to reconsider the matter.HAVE A DAY.
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By mandating the murder of an entire class of humans you have started down a very slippery slope. Be absolutely certain that you know what you're doing before you throw your hat into that ring.Originally posted by Cloud9
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Loin if the body part does not have your DNA, it is NOT YOUR body part.
If the embryo is not the mothers body part, than it must be it's own.
If this body part belongs to me it must be doing something for me. The sperm does something for me, it gives a vehicle for my DNA to be spread.
The egg does something for the women, it gives a vehicle for her DNA to be spread.
The zygote is the creation to this, and is no longer hers, nor mine, but a combination of the two, to create a single whole.
At every stage in our lives we require outside energy to continue to grow. An embryo needs a uterus lining, I (in my adult stage) need food. Just because the embryo needs to live in a body, does not remove it's individuality.What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"Comment
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Originally posted by loinburger
By mandating the murder of an entire class of humans you have started down a very slippery slope. Be absolutely certain that you know what you're doing before you throw your hat into that ring.
WELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW!!! LOINBURGER JUST ADMITTED THAT ABORTION IS MURDER!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!! AH HA HA HA HA HA!!!
HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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Sperm and egg cells have different DNA from the rest of your body. Body parts specifically designed for procreation apparently do not fit your (otherwise accurate) generalization.Originally posted by November Adam
Loin if the body part does not have your DNA, it is NOT YOUR body part.
The zygote and embryo do something for the woman, it gives her a vehicle for procreation; for her DNA to be spread (along with the DNA of her partner). However, seeing as how procreation is not always in the woman's best interests, it is sometimes necessary to cut the process short.If this body part belongs to me it must be doing something for me. The sperm does something for me, it gives a vehicle for my DNA to be spread.
The egg does something for the women, it gives a vehicle for her DNA to be spread.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures </p>Comment
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Don't be an ass, I'm not the one who considers abortion to be murder. However, since you consider abortion to be murder, you must be very careful before you mandate the murder of an entire class of humans.Originally posted by Cloud9
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I don't understand why you even care, loin. You're suppose to be FOR abortion anyway. By caring about whether or not incested babies should be aborted you sound like you're speaking AGAINST abortion. Not that I really mind.Originally posted by loinburger
Don't be an ass, I'm not the one who considers abortion to be murder. However, since you consider abortion to be murder, you must be very careful before you mandate the murder of an entire class of humans.
HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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I'm speaking in favor of consistency. I consistently believe that abortion of an embryo is fine and dandy since an embryo is not a human.Originally posted by Cloud9
I don't understand why you even care, loin. You're suppose to be FOR abortion anyway. By caring about whether or not incested babies should be aborted you sound like you're speaking AGAINST abortion. Not that I really mind.
You, on the other hand, believe that abortion of an embryo is murder, but that it's okay to abort (i.e. murder) an embryo that resulted from an incestuous relationship, since the embryo might develop into a retarded child and that retarded children have less of a right to live than non-retarded children.
It is the last of your beliefs given above, the belief that retarded people have less of a right to live than non-retarded people, that I find to be, unequivocally, morally repugnant. It is this belief of yours that I hope that you reconsider and revise. Whether you believe abortion to be right or wrong is of little concern to your everyday life, but whether you consider an entire class of humans to be inherently inferior is of great concern in your everyday life.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures </p>Comment
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I'll get back to you on that, loinburger.HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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Loin.. by the time the zygote is created the womens DNA is already spread. The rest of the stages are for the embryos development.Originally posted by loinburger
Sperm and egg cells have different DNA from the rest of your body. Body parts specifically designed for procreation apparently do not fit your (otherwise accurate) generalization.
The zygote and embryo do something for the woman, it gives her a vehicle for procreation; for her DNA to be spread (along with the DNA of her partner). However, seeing as how procreation is not always in the woman's best interests, it is sometimes necessary to cut the process short.
I have found a picture online showing the human life cycle.Attached FilesWhat if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"Comment
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The haploid stage is when the sperm cell and egg cell have half the parents chromosones... (so in a way you were right that the egg cell, and sperm cell has different DNA... it has half of the original, athough this still is your own DNA)
The point when the sperm and egg fuse, a whole (read complete dipoloid stage) new DNA is created. This cell is not the same as the mothers, and it is not even a haploid cell of the mothers. It is a diploid cell of something different.What if your words could be judged like a crime? "Creed, What If?"Comment
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