Global Warming does not exist

[Dis]

Here's a generic MSNBC article http://www.msnbc.com/news/356875.asp?cp1=1

satellite data http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/hl_measuretemp.htm

http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/msusci.html

this page isn't that useful but.. http://www.globalwarming.org/sciup/sci1-24-01.htm

http://users.erols.com/dhoyt1/

and finally the EPA site that shows that global warming is real sort of. http://www.epa.gov/globalwarming/

what really bothers me is most of these temperatures are taken in cities. Of course cities are getting hotter!! (because they are getting bigger) Don't these fools understand the make up and structures of cities? I'm more inclined to believe the satellite figures more than surface temperatures taken near cities. But this doesn't answer the questions that the glaciers are melting. Which according to small articles in dicover magazine they are receding. Most glaciers in glacier national park are expected to be gone in 60 or 70 years. What do we make of this? Some say temperatures are rising in the northern hemisphere and decreasing in the southern hemisphere (Christy has mentioned this in the above mentioned article)

Most of this comes from the John Christy article in last years Discover magazine.

Is this guy a crock? discuss

[Caligastia]

If global warming is happening, its not because of human emissions.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Why ?
Should maybe say "it's not only because of ...".
I mean human polution have real effect on climat but maybe not enough to create a general climat change. And maybe volcanoes have not enough impact too to change the climat. But volcanoes + human activity maybe will !

But I'm not sure that too much C02 in atmosphere will automatically generate a global warming. We know nothing or very few more about climat and its possible side-effect.

But we are not scientist and even scientist are not sure about climatic theory. So wa cannot say : yes or no !

[Zulu Elephant]

It seems to me that most of the people who claim that global warming doesnt exist are people with a vested interest in it not existing.

Industrialists who dont want to sacrfice profits or politicians who would rather spend money on more popular projects (like the military) than be portrayed by the media as destroying their countrys economy by over-regulating.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

May idea is such human activity have a risk even if the rish is not 100% sure, we have to limit it at the maximum.

So people who said "Global Warning" don't exist are too self-confident to be honest or don't evaluate the danger id the risk becomes real.

This not because with have no clear proof of human impact on climat, that human activity don't have any impact.

[Sceptor107]

GLOBAL WARMING IS A FARSE!

[Keygen]

Originally posted by Caligastia
If global warming is happening, its not because of human emissions.

How can you be so sure?
It could be a natural environmental change or it could have been caused by humankind.
Scientists agree that certain products being used by modern societies affect negatively the environment.
Besides the ozone holes is unlikely to have been created naturally.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Keygen


How can you be so sure?

Because I am.

[Sava]

I live in the Midwest so I'm okay . And there isn't enough water stored in the ice caps to create a water world . And if it turns the Mississippi into a Gulf... then I'll be that much closer to beach front property.

Hopefully, most of the eastern US seaboard will get engulfed!

Then the Yankees can't win another world series.

[Keygen]

Originally posted by Caligastia


Because I am.

Congratulations then

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Keygen


Congratulations then

Thanks.

[soma]

Hands up anyone who knows the name of the gas that is the major greenhouse contributor. Anyone?

The answer is water vapour. Pat yourself on the back if you knew that one. Now everybody, stop boiling kettles, and please don't ride on any steam trains or you'll kill all life on the planet

[ZoboZeWarrior]

You're right, but the level of water vapor in the air is determined by global heat. If earth warm up so water vapor level raise and the earth warm up more etc ... A vicious circle.

The diminition of ice cap, low the albedo level of the planet, who reflect less sun ray and the planet heat raise again : A vicious circle.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
The diminition of ice cap, low the albedo level of the planet, who reflect less sun ray and the planet heat raise again : A vicious circle.

How did we ever get out of the ice age then??

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Eh, I'm a compuiter scientist, not a climatologist.

Climat is of course not so simple has I described :
more water in atmosphere more cloud : Less sun ray warming the biosphere and the atmosphere, so the heat go down ...

The heath rise : less Ice cap, okay ? But more ocean too : or ocean have high albedo too : the sun ray warm less the earth ...

The vicious circles, I described previously, are in fact no so vicious .

Volcanoe reject CO2 who is responsable of Grennhouse effect. Right but Volcanoe reject dust clouds too, who stop sun ray and counter-effect the green-house.

Climat is a hard thing to understand ! Nature is balanced is full of forces which annihilate each other.

All this thing are in an unstable balance. Because, in one force disapear or a new forces appear the structure could collapse.
And I fear that Human activity could put the climat out of balance !