Did a plane really hit the pentagon?

[Velociryx]

::shrug::

Point taken, but how many plane crashes have you seen covered where there was no debris??

-=Vel=-

[Aeson]

I don't see why they didn't include the frames that the plane was in. It would seem like an important part of footage of a plane hitting a building. At 155 feet in length, 250-600 mph, there should be 5-15 frames from the moment the nose of the plane hits the building until the tail would pass the same point. I guess they want to keep us debating... that way we will be distracted from discussing the real conspiracy (whatever that is). :P

[Zealot]

Where's the black box?

Hey guys, where is the black box after all? I mean, it should have survived, right?
Where is it? Why haven't I heard any comment from the media about it?

[Sava]

Re: Where's the black box?

Originally posted by Zealot
Hey guys, where is the black box after all? I mean, it should have survived, right?
Where is it? Why haven't I heard any comment from the media about it?

If the black box always survives... why don't they make the whole plane out of a black box?

[Zealot]

Those pictures seem pretty clear to me, sava. Where's the plane that you see, but no one else sees after all?

If the black box always survives... why don't they make the whole plane out of a black box?

Huh?
Sorry, but I didn't understand where you're trying to get. Could you rephrase, please?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Velociryx
If it is as the guy on the "video" indicated, that the plane hit the ground first, and then plowed into the building....should there not be some indication ON the ground that something 15-20 feet high, travelling at least 250mph and filled with fuel HIT the ground? I just went back to the photos to look.

Let's see. Plane comes in at a dive, probably doing about 500 mph. hits the ground just in front of the building at say a 45 degree angle.

First off, the plane collapses into the point of impact while the forward momentum carries it into the building (think of a stone skipping on water). Most of the debris gets blown into smithereens and dispersed by the explosion, particularly the wings which are loaded with fuel.

Secondly, the building then collapses.

Want to find the hole in the ground? Look underneath the rubble in front of the building.

[Velociryx]

Found...something on the video...but I don't know what it is.

In the first frame, at ground level, just above the right-most traffic cone.

What is that?

It seems to be heading toward the building, but it's clear that at least one, and possibly two frames were take out because of the "jump" in the footage (and that object, whatever it is).

Is it a plane?

I don't know. But whatever it is, it's at ground level SCORES of yards from the building proper.

Maybe it's nothing at all, but it's interesting.

-=Vel=-

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Re: Re: Where's the black box?

Originally posted by Sava
If the black box always survives... why don't they make the whole plane out of a black box?

If you had some little notion of mechanics you should understand that it's easier to make a small box very resilient than a big articulated empty structure ...

But sure, I don't think that a black box always survive from terrible crashes. Generaly planes don't crash at full speed.

Whatever in the first picture, we see only an explosion starting from the base of the building, no impact ! And these is very strange !

[ZoboZeWarrior]

On this pics we can see debrits thrown aways, are they parts of the plane ?

[Zealot]

Tingkai, what's the conclusion one should get from reading your post?

[Velociryx]

Noticed that too, but I don't think there's any way we can zoom in close enough and clean the image up enough to find out conclusively what that is....I just dunno.

-=Vel=-

[Zealot]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
On this pics we can see debrits thrown aways, are they parts of the plane ?

I don't think so. Those debries are in the last picture from the group, so I believe it's part of the building or something that suffered from the impact.

But once again, if it was a 757, where are those debries, and the rest of it?

[Aeson]

I thought that was the plane's nose at first too Vel. The more I looked at the pictures the more it seemed like a building in the background which was blurred out in following frames (either from motion of the camera, exhaust from the plane, or smoke/debris from the impact).

[Aeson]

I think of all the photos, this one is the most conclusive. If there had been a detonation, there should be damage/debris on the small outer building (not even a broken window pane). Also there would be a crater on the lawn, as it seems evident that the explosion would have happened outside the building.

[Velociryx]

Good point, Aeson...could very well be.

My boss is actually kinna intrigued by this thread and I've sent him the footage. He's a bit of a whiz with photoshop, so perhaps he'll be able to clean it up for us. Will letcha know if it's anything interesting....

-=Vel=-