Battle for Palestine

[Comrade Tribune]

Re: You Talk The Talk, But You Can't Walk The Walk

Originally posted by Sprayber
Comrad Tribune: You talk about all of these people you support but you never do anything about it except post on here. If you believe in their cause, then why don't you actually do something. All of those westereners believed in them and they actually went over and gave their blood. You sit there and call them brothers and yet you do absolutly nothing. That is the reason you make me sick. Not because of your views, but because of your childish saluting of anything that is anti-american without showing the least bit of courage to back your views up.

We have a saying in America. Put up or shut up. All you do is talk. Why don't you get out and walk the walk. Or is your anti-American bias over shawdowed by a lack of courage?

Seriously: I don´t understand what you are talking about.

What do you expect me to do? Going to Palestine and throwing stones? I think I can serve them better with intellectual artillery support. Besides, how do you know I do nothing else but post here? And if you support the USA, does that mean you have already volunteered and are on your way to Afghanistan? What do you do to back up YOUR views?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Eli
Long long long period in jail. See the Vaanunu case.

The problem is that he wasnt trialed, and he was hanged in the ****ing city square!
Now you see with what savages we need to deal on daily basis?

In theory, yes, all suspects should be given a chance in court to prove their innocence.

Unfortunately, both the Pals and the Israelies haven't been doing that. Consider that the Israelies have been killing "suspected terrorists" openly, it's not just the Pals who are savages.

This is a sad state of affairs.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
UR : how about that discussion we had about competition in the perfect state?

Could you elaborate on that?

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Eli
Now you see with what savages we need to deal on daily basis?

The question is rather: With what savages to the Pals have to deal on a daily basis?

1 Below is a pic from AFP. It shows IDF soldiers quite simply executing a hand-cuffed Palestinian ***suspect*** with a shot in the head.

2 Today Israelis nearly killed the Austrian TV correspondent ***while he was on air***. He was in a building in Ramallah Israelis ***knew*** was used by the press. He was life on Austrian TV, describing the new developments, and a bullet came through the window and closely missed him. Everybody in Austria saw that in the evening news. Support for Israel will certainly increase here after we have all seen how careful the IDF is making sure not to harm innocents.

[Comrade Tribune]

Here´s the pic:

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune

1 Below is a pic from AFP. It shows IDF soldiers quite simply executing a hand-cuffed Palestinian ***suspect*** with a shot in the head.

Umm.....those arent soldiers moron. Those are police. Who are you trying to fool?

[CyberGnu]

Faded, Israeli soliders, Israeli police. Does it make a difference? If so, please elaborate.

Here is a link to the news item, btw:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1867000/1867726.stm

Eli, transfer of an ehtnic group from an area to make room for another ethnic group is defined as a warcrime. While I'm not surprised that 60% or so of Israelis support warcrimes, I agree that it is worrying...


Siro, what you described in your last paragraph is still racism. It is essentially the same reasoning used to defend the policies of southern treatment of blacks.


Jules, the entire jewish population in palestine numbered 25.000 in 1900. I'm willing to bet that there are more than 25.000 greeks in turkey right now... So should we help greece reconquer old Asia minor?

[faded glory]

Faded, Israeli soliders, Israeli police. Does it make a difference? If so, please elaborate.

He was a fvckin Suicide Bomber!?


Why the outrage? He was probably reaching for his god damn explosive's trigger.

[CyberGnu]

Faded, the outrage only occurs among people who believs in things like 'innocent until proven guilty', 'the police should not be also judge and executioner'.

BWT, where do you draw your lines? If a cop arrest you for shoplifting, is it OK if he shoots you? How about murder?

[CyberGnu]

Oh, I'm assuming you read the story... It said 'completely subdued'.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Oh, I'm assuming you read the story... It said 'completely subdued'.

Irrelevant, his intentions were clear.

BWT, where do you draw your lines? If a cop arrest you for shoplifting, is it OK if he shoots you? How about murder?

Depends if I have a bomb straped around my waiste and am heading for a crowded bus stop or food court. How Some of you can even draw such parallel's is beyond me.

Faded, the outrage only occurs among people who believs in things like 'innocent until proven guilty', 'the police should not be also judge and executioner'.

Its pretty obvouis they didnt shoot the guy for the hell of it. They were being photograped unknowningly and sent a robot which detonated somthing.


The man was clearly resisting,having to be subdued. If you are one of those officers, why take the chance?

[Jules]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Jules, the entire jewish population in palestine numbered 25.000 in 1900. I'm willing to bet that there are more than 25.000 greeks in turkey right now... So should we help greece reconquer old Asia minor?

Not sure what you're referring to here. Please elaborate.

[CyberGnu]

Faded, read the story again.

Irrelevant, his intentions were clear.

He was on the ground, handcuffed and almost naked.

As far as I can tell, his intentions were to keep breathing.

If you are refering to his previous intentions, that doesn't apply. There was no danger of him detonating anything.

Depends if I have a bomb straped around my waiste and am heading for a crowded bus stop or food court. How Some of you can even draw such parallel's is beyond me.

Again, read the story.

He was on the ground, handcuffed and almost naked.

As far as I can tell, he wasn't going anyway.

Its pretty obvouis they didnt shoot the guy for the hell of it.

Again, read the story.

He was on the ground, handcuffed and almost naked.

As far as I can tell, he was not shot for any threat he posed. That does make it 'for the hell of it'.

The man was clearly resisting,having to be subdued. If you are one of those officers, why take the chance?

Again, read the story.

He was on the ground, handcuffed and almost naked, for 30 minutes before he as shot.



Look, what it all comes down to:
If this occured in a civilized nation, the police officer who murdered him would be sent to jail.

[CyberGnu]

Ooops, Jules, I'm terribly sorry. I meant GeneralTacticus, in response to his justification that there has always been a jewish presence in Palestine.

*apologies*

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by faded glory
The man was clearly resisting,having to be subdued. If you are one of those officers, why take the chance?

That's just daft.

He's down on the ground with his face facing down, his hands cuffed behind him, and had nothing more offensive than bad breath.

And you're saying the police was right shooting a defenseless, unarmed man?

There is something terribly wrong with you.