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  • #16
    Are democrats basically more protectionist?

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    • #17
      This is really going to hit the Australian steel industry hard (Australia exports $300 million worth of steel to the US each year).
      So much for the benefits of being America's ally
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      • #18
        If a company can't compete then should it go bankrupt. In the long run is that the best.

        Keeping companies artificial alive with tariffs, raises the cost of goods and by that lowers the wealth(because products made of steel will become more expensive). It is bad for everyone in the long run

        Away with all those tarifss and subsidies for both the US and the EU! In the long run will we be both better off! Why don't they force presidents to learn a little bit economy?

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        • #19
          Could someone address the possible use of subsidies and dumping by foreign steel, that these tariffs could've been reacting to? (and don't bring up other types of subsides, I don't care, we're talking steel)


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          • #20
            Originally posted by rah
            1. It was a compromise. Big Steel didn't get all they wanted and Bush knows he needs votes in those states for midterm elections for the Republicans.
            That's the real reason for the tarriff. The steel unions were more politically organized than thier opposition anmd Bush need thier votes for the off year election. He also has to deal with the effect of dumping on the domestic steel industry.
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            • #21
              Are democrats basically more protectionist?


              Yes, much more so. They are joined at the hip with the unions.

              Could someone address the possible use of subsidies and dumping by foreign steel, that these tariffs could've been reacting to? (and don't bring up other types of subsides, I don't care, we're talking steel)


              Perhaps, but still I wouldn't recommend tarriffs to counter that. After all, see England in the 1600s after repealing the Corn Laws, it started its metoric rise economically. Why? Because England's farmers had to be more productive, leading to better technology, while others were protected and didn't care.

              We should have our steel plants be more productive, and if they can't then they don't deserve to exist. It might be cruel, but that is how capitalism works.

              And yes, Dino is right. It was more politics than anything else.
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              • #22
                whine, sniff, sob.

                Wait 3 years and vote for the "ape" of your choosing.
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                • #23
                  At the very least, these tariffs aren't set in stone and can be ended when needed. They'll probably disappear soon after the election.
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                  • #24
                    I hope this serves as a lesson to anyone who votes Republican in the belief that they're the party of economic freedom.
                    "THE" plus "IRS" makes "THEIRS". Coincidence? I think not.

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                    • #25
                      Well, Well......Arent the Euro's doing the same thing to Cheap Chinese Lighters?

                      Oh yes. I can find a link if you want.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Rex Little
                        I hope this serves as a lesson to anyone who votes Republican in the belief that they're the party of economic freedom.
                        I have sinned!

                        If you can get someone brighter and more moderate than Harry Browne, you'll have my vote... but until then I'll stay on this side of the fence .
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kolpo
                          If a company can't compete then should it go bankrupt. In the long run is that the best.

                          Keeping companies artificial alive with tariffs, raises the cost of goods and by that lowers the wealth(because products made of steel will become more expensive). It is bad for everyone in the long run

                          Away with all those tarifss and subsidies for both the US and the EU! In the long run will we be both better off! Why don't they force presidents to learn a little bit economy?

                          Lots of european Industries are subsidized bye there governments as are American agriculture. That is of course, also unfair. But the US steel industries are in deep crises. It may pass. But I dont think so. In the end, they just may go broke. Steel from Asia is ****loads Cheaper, and European steel is moderately price. With us out of the Steel game soon, we should now watch those two go at it.


                          edit: I do agree this is against capitalism.

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                          • #28
                            Imagine, finally something that Eurocoms and Amerightwingers can agree on
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                            • #29
                              If you can get someone brighter and more moderate than Harry Browne, you'll have my vote...
                              Not sure what you mean by "more moderate"; anyone the LP puts up as a candidate is going to be a hard-core libertarian, almost by definition. I do hope that we can find one who'll run a better campaign than Browne did.
                              "THE" plus "IRS" makes "THEIRS". Coincidence? I think not.

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                              • #30
                                i wasn't even aware we had a steel industry anymore why can't we just let some little backwater country do that stuff for us while we make hi tech stuff? oh wait, we let taiwan do that for us too. what does the US export these days?

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