confessions of a bigot

[Gibsie]

What if people tell you that they have a crude mouth, but don't use foul language in front of you (or others that don't like it)?

Also, do you unconditionally dislike smokers? If not, how can you not say smoking is disgusting?

[Kaak]

"you are known by the company you keep"

[Gibsie]

(note above edit)

Don't you find the company of your frat-brothers quite disgusting also? Getting drunk, sleeping sround... since you are known by the company you keep, do you disgust yourself?

[Asher]

Re: Re: Homophobes and hypocrites

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I'm saying that IMO they criticize the wrong points.
Instead of arguing why his opinion of gay people is wrong, people argue why he is a bad person if he has this opinion of gay people.

So how come Kaak can argue that he doesn't like gays because of their decisions, but it's not okay for everyone else to argue that we don't like Kaak based upon his bigotry?

And that's exaclty why I said that christianity has nothing to do with it. Because it hasn't.
I agree here, I hate religious debates. Pointless.

He said : i think sodomy is icky, and i dislike gay people because they practice it

Most of you say : you are evil. you are also very religious and the bible is evil.


Nobody said he was evil, IIRC. Just that he's a close-minded bigot. Which he admits, and you can't argue otherwise.

Show him why he shouldn't care, not why he isn't allowed to think like he does.
How do you suppose we do that?
You can't just magically make him enlightened, he's still the dark God-fearing homophobe he was in the first place. He doesn't think homosexuality should be socially accepted, which worries me. What two people do behind close doors is none of anyone's business, and when people come up and try to stop two people from doing things they want to do, they've got some kind of agenda. With Kaak, he's either a religious nut who thinks the homosexuality is such a horrible sin nobody should be "allowed" to do it, or he's a "closet gay" homophobe who is tempted by the thought of being able to do it without reprecussion. If there's another logical explaination for his actions here, let me know. I sure don't see it.

That's the whole point.
He doesn't ask you to judge his dislike as good or bad.
He asks you to comment on it and say why should he change it.
General points like "it makes you an evil person" are idiotic.

No, that's not the whole point.
The point is he trolled saying he doesn't like gays, and is somewhat surprised when the majority of people here respond to him with disgust.
Homosexuality isn't nearly as "bad" as bigotry. Here's why:
Homosexuality involves consenting adults.
Bigotry involves rejection, harassment, and ignorance.

So don't be the least bit surprised when people attack Kaak for his righteous bigotry. It's a major part of thie discussion on WHY he should change it.

If I were arguing with a person who dislikes jews, telling him that it makes him a nazi and how hating people is wrong would be stupid and pointless.

That's not accurate: In this analogy, he already admitted to being a Nazi. People are now replying with "thumbs-down" type posts and expressing disgust with his ignorant viewpoints.

I would tell him how jews are just like everyone else, and what good things they have contributed to society, and how their relgious rituals and their unity doesn't hurt him.

You seem to think nobody has tried that to Kaak before. None of that matters to him because he finds the acts homosexuals do "disgusting" so he doesn't care who the person is. For some "unexplained" reason he thinks about gay sex when he sees homosexuals.

I don't feel threatened nor do I feel targeted. I simply notice how you are chasing your own tail, convincing yourself, but not convincing him.

Nobody's chasing their tail but Kaak here. And if anyone's doing the "i think i can" dance, it's him.

He isn't so vocal about it.

He simply posted it here to talk about it.

Bull****. In other threads we've already had the debate. Those die out, then he makes a new one confessing to disliking homosexuals.

He's very vocal about it.

But if I had come and said "you're not entitled to this p.o.v. because it's evil" it would be useless.

Nobody said that.
I said he's entitled to his p.o.v., but don't be surprised when it gets him fired.

Instead I would explain to him why jews are ok and shouldn't bother him.

Already tried that.

I wouldn't criticize him for hating jews, because he can if he wants to.

So I'm going to go make a thread right now, talking about my supreme disgust for those "militant" israelis who stole land from the "innocent" palestinians and how disgusting the Jews are. And then I want you not to criticize me in the slightest, and calmly tell me why Jews are good people.

Really, that doesn't fly.

I would try to convince him he shouldn't, but logically. I don't think that 'hating jews' is wrong because it's an immoral opinion or something. It's wrong because I don't see logical reasons to hate jews.

We established long ago that logic doesn't prevail with Kaak, at least on this topic. Arguing about the logic of it with him is like explaining discrete mathematics to a 3 year old.

I don't judge dislikes.

You don't judge dislikes, even when they're based entirely on somebody's sexuality rather than the person for who they are?

I think most statements simply miss the rout of his dislike, which is disgust of sodomy.

Most statements do miss that, because it's not supposed to be the issue. Many, many heterosexuals commit sodomy, why doesn't he just ask people he meets in the future: "Hey, have you ever gone in the back door with your woman?". If they respond yes, he can dislike them too. It's a great system of pre-judging!

Not at all in my opinion.
He wasn't interested in expressing hatred nor in spreading it.

He only said he "disliked Homosexuals" a dozen times in his first post.

He simply wanted to have a discussion about this. Had he wanted to spread this he would have began a "gays are bad" thread.

What is there to discuss other than his completely ignorant, arrogant, righteous, and wrong beliefs?

You should attack his points and not him.

Hypocrites!
If he's judging people based upon their sexual orientation, why can't we judge him based upon his limited mental capacity?

He attacked every single gay or bi person by saying he thought they were "disgusting" and said he didn't want homosexuality to be socially accepted. So now people are slamming him. Go cry about it elsehwere.

But your attitude is wrong. Instead of shutting thier mouth, explain why they are wrong. That's my whole point.

You don't get it.
We've already tried explaining why he is wrong. He doesn't care! He thinks it's disgusting and because he's not homosexual, therefore it's wrong and should not be socially acceptable.

People have been attacking those claims (With the exceptions of those religious-blasters).

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Kaak
bugs. seriously. you wouldn't have to wait if you would read. I've heard of things like one consenting adult defacating on another. The fact that both were consenting has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the act is gross to me.

No- you still haven't answered the question. What is it about homosexuals that disgusts you?

[DinoDoc]

Dino wonders if he should mention the gay relationships in the Bible

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kaak
siro: atleast you can forward *logical* arguements

They were logical, but supremely misguided.

I agree. if you claim sexual orientation isn't a matter of choice, then it isn't a matter of choice. I just think that homosexuality is as blatantly wrong and gross as paedophilia.

Sexuality is not a matter of choice. Think about it from your side:
When you were born, did you have to make the choice on if you wanted to be straight, bisexual, or gay? No, you already knew you were straight.
How would it be any different for somebody who is gay or bi?
It's not a choice, it's either decided by nature or nurture. They're not sure yet, but it doesn't matter.

If you think homosexuality is as bad as paedolphilia, I'd have to ask why you took a mensa IQ test.
Homosexuality is done behind closed doors, between two consenting adults.
Paedolphilia involves exploiting children.

The two are nowhere close. Any man with a shred of intelligent can see that.

*goes back to count the times he said there was no hate, only dislike* Have you been reading this thread? or are you just responding to it generally as you would a stereotype?

That's a bull**** statement.
There is hate.
Explain to me what would be different to how you treat homosexuals if you hated them and if you disliked them.
Also explain to me how Matthew Shephard died if he was merely "disliked".

Actually, i don't think either should be socially accepted...

God forbid people do what they want behind closed doors.
I think premarital sex should not be socially accepted, and sex should not be done for recreation.

[darthmolar]

Kaak your views are as valid as anyone's. As you can see liberal minded people tell you to "keep your opionions to yourself" while preaching their own views. These people wish for the points to be heard and accepted and no one else's. All of these people make our points valid without us having to do so. Kaak you appear to be a good, just person with high ideals. Keep it up. I am in your corner. It is they who fear and hate us. As you know, we have nothing to fear from these peolpe or those of like mind. Hold to your ideals and your life will unfold productively and you will overcome any and all opposition.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by darthmolar
Kaak your views are as valid as anyone's. As you can see liberal minded people tell you to "keep your opionions to yourself" while preaching their own views. These people wish for the points to be heard and accepted and no one else's. All of these people make our points valid without us having to do so. Kaak you appear to be a good, just person with high ideals. Keep it up. I am in your corner. It is they who fear and hate us. As you know, we have nothing to fear from these peolpe or those of like mind. Hold to your ideals and your life will unfold productively and you will overcome any and all opposition.

What's this - A bigot complaining about bigotry?

[MrFun]

How do people confuse healthy, meaningful, intimate relationships between two consenting men or two consenting women with heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual adults who exploit and manipulate children into having sex with them??

[Asher]

Originally posted by darthmolar
Kaak your views are as valid as anyone's. As you can see liberal minded people tell you to "keep your opionions to yourself" while preaching their own views.

Who told him to keep his opinions to himself?

These people wish for the points to be heard and accepted and no one else's.

Thanks to explaining to me how I work!

All of these people make our points valid without us having to do so.

You wish. You're so brainwashed you can't even see a good ass-kicking.

Kaak you appear to be a good, just person with high ideals. Keep it up. I am in your corner.

But he's not good. He's not mormon, he's to go to hell.
Man, I bet he also drinks caffeine too. And how about all that premarital sex he has? My, he's definitely rotting in hell. I'm glad you support his views, because when all three of us are in hell we can have one big f*cking orgy.

It is they who fear and hate us.

Why shouldn't we?
You're bigots blinded by your own faith. Faith which can never be proven but you still believe in adamantly, even when you hurt other people because of it.

As you know, we have nothing to fear from these peolpe or those of like mind.

But you fear God instead.
I'm sure the author of that book is rolling his his grave today.

Hold to your ideals and your life will unfold productively and you will overcome any and all opposition.

Why should his ideals be my ideals?
Why should his ideals be your ideals?
Why should he try to force his ideals on others?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by darthmolar
Kaak your views are as valid as anyone's. As you can see liberal minded people tell you to "keep your opionions to yourself" while preaching their own views. These people wish for the points to be heard and accepted and no one else's. All of these people make our points valid without us having to do so. Kaak you appear to be a good, just person with high ideals. Keep it up. I am in your corner. It is they who fear and hate us. As you know, we have nothing to fear from these peolpe or those of like mind. Hold to your ideals and your life will unfold productively and you will overcome any and all opposition.

Bull-poo, you windy old bag of bile. He's entitled to his opinions. If he brings them out onto this forum, I'm entitled to comment on them and question. Do you have a problem with that, you pompous old windbag?

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Asher
You wish. You're so brainwashed you can't even see a good ass-kicking.

I think I know why he can't see the ass-kicking he & Kaak have been receiving... I just received this photo of him.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Dino wonders if he should mention the gay relationships in the Bible

It might be interesting, but after reading what darth & Kaak have been saying, do you honestly think it would make a difference?

On the other hand, nothing we've said has made a difference... what the hell, go for it. The responses ought to be good for a few giggles.

[darthmolar]

[QUOTE]I dislike bigots.

They attempt to keep down the next step in society's evolution.
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How so?

I dislike bigots.

Bigots are the only thing holding society back from pure freedom. If it weren't for bigots, people would have the freedom to do what they choose within the confines of human curtousey.

A bigot excercises his or her first amendment right. This is an act of upholding freedom. I am a bigot, but I stand by other people's free agency.

[QUOTE]I dislike bigots.

Bigots seem unable to comprehend the simple fact that gays, blacks, women, and and everyone else are all people, that we all stem from the SAME line, and that making it a personal crusade to change other people is not only a waste of a person's life, it is a waste of their's as well.
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Racists do. I am not a racist. All people stem from the same line. However, some things are clearly right and some things are clearly wrong. Maybe you can't see this simple fact.

[QUOTE]I dislike homophobes.

Whether based on Biblical or "natural" law, they take the parts which best serve their purposes and leave the rest in the dust. They attempt to control another's life because THEY ARE DIFFERENT (Oh no, not different!) They believe that their interpretation is right, and therefore, anyone who differs has no right to live. I find homophobes the most disgusting, despicable, VULGER excuses for human beings.
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I am not a homophobe. I do not fear homosexuals. I simply think the act is vulgar. That is my opinion and my free right to speak on that. I loathe green bale peppers, but that does not mean that I fear them either.

[QUOTE]I dislike conservatives.

Conservatives, at least in this country, discount the basic principles that this country was founded on: Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness. Those who are religious also try to erase the barrier between church and state, which is another founding principle of these United States.
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Conservatives (at least in the USA) do not discount the principles that this country was founded on. Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness is the basis for the constitution, which conservatives wish to uphold, and in some cases restore. Liberals have made countless changes to the constitution over the years, changes which were unnecessary. Not all of those who are religious try to erase the barrier between church and state, which is another founding principle of these United States. You need to have knowledge before you speak.

[QUOTE]I dislike conservatives.

They bring the Right to Bear Arms to the forefront and hide behind it, while the rest of the Constitution and Declaration are sent to hell. Most of these right-to-arms people are also "pro-life." HA!
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Again you show your ignorance. The second amendment is vital to our nation and constitution. Guns do not kill people. People kill people. Criminal-minded people will not give up their weapons regardless of what laws are passed. I am pro-life. I am for the baby's choice. HA HA!!!

[QUOTE]I dislike Pro-Lifers.

While I agree that life is sacred, Pro-Lifers are hypocrites. You'll find that many "pro-life"ers also support the Death Penalty. Pro-Lifers seek to eliminate stem-cell research, research that could save not hundreds, not thousands, but HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF LIVES . Once that baby is born, Pro-Lifers will say "**** it, lets move out."
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I support the death penalty. I support the rights of unborn children. I think that women who have numerous abortions as a means of birth control should have their tubes tied. How would you like to have been aborted. Probably did not think about that did you? I am also not a hypocrite. I practice what I preach.

[QUOTE]I dislike fundamentalists.

They skew the teachings of their religion, Christian or Muslim. Those "Christians" who decry homosexuals and kill abortion doctors violate the laws of Jesus and of the Ten Commandments. They are not true Christians. They hide behind their religion, not willing to take responsibility for their COWARDLY actions.
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I am not a fundalmentalist.


And to those who said I was AWOL...I have a life, I have responsibilities, like a wife, kid, work, and so forth.