Ethelred:
It shows that we discover it.
It shows that we discover it.
Nonsense. There is no reason at all to says its a human structure.
If we couldn't do math by thinking we wouldn't be able to do it at all.
So that has no meaning to your claim. I allready pointed out the we can do math that is outside our brain capicity to percieve.
All attempts to disprove it are circular. Yours sure has been anyway.
The thing is that we have some structures in ourselves (logic, maths, but also intuition) which we use to understand what is outside. This is analog to painting a picture. The picture is not the same thing as what is painted.
We have no guarantee that one of those structures in ourselves is a 1:1 correspondence to something found in nature. For intuition it is already disproved by relativity and quantum theory. There is no reason why we never should reach such a point with maths and logic. And maybe we already have reached this point in the probability description of quantum mechanics. We don't know if quantum fluctuations are really random, a god weaving the world or something else. The assumption of a hidden parameter has been disproved, and so we cannot go deeper into it (at the moment, at least).
Logical Realist:
I still would like to see a disproval of Descartes' claim under the assumption that logic is a universal truth.
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