Questions for creationists

[JohnT]

Ahhhh. So they lived in the Garden for 60+ million years. After that, humanity started measuring their lifespans in decades. Makes perfect sense to me.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Oh, and John, there is another option.

Think of God (I can't believe I'm saying this) as Microsoft. We're version whatever of His plan. Evolution is His way of bringing out new versions, updating, and making Patches. I personally come from the school of thought that says God is responsible for Evolution. (And there is even a school of thought which says that God is the product of evolution.)

[JohnT]

Chardin?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by JohnT
Ahhhh. So they lived in the Garden for 60+ million years. After that, humanity started measuring their lifespans in decades. Makes perfect sense to me.

'Scuse? Know how long Noah, Abraham, and Moses lived? In the Garden, Adam and Eve were in paradise. No disease, no pestilence, not even heartburn. They were immortal. God created Adam as His prime "trophy", and Eve as Adam's companion. When they ate the Forbidden Fruit, God punished them by making them susceptible to all of these, and threw them out of the Garden, for they had disobeyed. If you think about it in a religious sense, it DOES make sense.

[Kirnwaffen]

*sigh*

The sad thing is that people continue to be baited by ridiculous threads.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Kirnwaffen
*sigh*

The sad thing is that people continue to be baited by ridiculous threads.

I made this thread less troll-like and gave it a purpose.

Oh, and yes John, Chardin, or at least Chardin-like.

[Jon Miller]

well according to the Bible

before the flood man measured his days in 100s of years (like 900)

and of course, before sin there was no death of mankind at all (according to the Bible)

then after the flood, lifespan quickly decreased so that the ancient were 80 (and the really famously long lived were 120)

(note the loss of lifespan is linked by some scholars to generations away from the Tree/ the effects of sin)

so according to the Bible, living 60+ million years pre eating of the fruit is no trouble at all

Jon Miller
(can't beleive that I am the only one who knows this stuff)

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Jon Miller
(can't beleive that I am the only one who knows this stuff)

Wanna try that again?

[Ramo]

In the Garden, Adam and Eve were in paradise. No disease, no pestilence, not even heartburn.

Why didn't Adam and Eve become snacks for the velociraptors roaming around the Garden?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Ramo


Why didn't Adam and Eve become snacks for the velociraptors roaming around the Garden?

God didn't put anything in the Garden that would *physically* harm them. All animals in the Garden were also tame.

And remember, the Serpent talked, and was in actuality Lucifer.

Take THAT, sarcasm!

[JohnT]

Actually, Jon, I knew that stuff too.

EF, I can't think "religiously." I don't know how to describe my thoughts ("rational arrogance" comes to mind - after all, I always think I'm right and make perfect sense. ), but "religiously" is not one of them.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


Wanna try that again?

I started before you posted

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by JohnT
Actually, Jon, I knew that stuff too.

EF, I can't think "religiously." I don't know how to describe my thoughts ("rational arrogance" comes to mind - after all, I always think I'm right and make perfect sense. ), but "religiously" is not one of them.

See, I guess my understanding is that Man in the garden is the same state as Man in heaven will be (I think that this is an obvious conclusion (but not the only possible) from the Bible).

Therefore, Man would not die in the Garden.

So, if you think that Man would die pre sin, I would consider that a much bigger issue then any creationism.

BTW, Creationism does not maintain that God created the Universe at any recent time.

Jon Miller

[Alexander's Horse]

If there are millions of stars and millions of inhabited planets and God had to die a horrible death on each of them to save the sentient beings that would border on fetish. It would make God a very weird character indeed.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


See, I guess my understanding is that Man in the garden is the same state as Man in heaven will be (I think that this is an obvious conclusion (but not the only possible) from the Bible).

Therefore, Man would not die in the Garden.

So, if you think that Man would die pre sin, I would consider that a much bigger issue then any creationism.

BTW, Creationism does not maintain that God created the Universe at any recent time.

Jon Miller

Well, damn. My dog will die pre-sin. Babies die pre-sin. I don't think it takes a radical leap of faith or logic to think that people can die before they sin.