This is so funny

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by VetLegion Between 1960 and 1980 it had one of the most vigorous growth rates: a decent standard of living, free medical care and education, a guaranteed right to a job, one-month vacation with pay, a literacy rate of over 90 percent, and a life expectancy of 72 years. Yugoslavia also offered its multi-ethnic citizenry affordable public transportation, housing, and utilities, with a not-for-profit economy that was mostly publicly owned. This was not the kind of country global capitalism would normally tolerate. Still, socialistic Yugoslavia was allowed to exist for 45 years because it was seen as a nonaligned buffer to the Warsaw Pact nations.
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This is the important part. To which you have no other answer but:

'credits, credits... people in Yugoslavia did not earn enough to support the relatively high standard of living they had so the state had to take loans.'

People in USA do not earn enough to support the outrageous military spending of the Bush administration so the state has to take loans.

If they must take loans, I´d rather have them take loans for a high living standard.

[mactbone]

*sigh* I wonder who gets the money that the US spends on military, oh yeah, it's Americans. Hmmm, and I wonder who the US takes "loans" from, oh yeah, mainly US citizens. If we want to talk about debt, there's the matter of allowing certain countries to divert their Marshall Plan repayments into their own economy.

[VetLegion]

human rights cannot be enforced by those who break it and create the violations in the first place.
It's like a murderer being the judge. Doesn't work.

It is not very moral, but no other option now. What, to let him go?

People in USA do not earn enough to support the outrageous military spending of the Bush administration so the state has to take loans.
If they must take loans, I´d rather have them take loans for a high living standard.

You cant take loans indefinitely. If self-governing socialism of the yugoslavian type was so good, we would have kept it. It didnt work.

When are we going to see the American media prosecuted for transmitting Bush´s hate speech against Iran, Iraq and North Korea?

I dont like Americans being "above law" either.

But, there is no other way. It is either like this, America has special status, or America goes isolationist, which is worse. Imagine the world without the Big Policeman. I can think of at least five crisis areas kept at peace by them, Bosnia, China/Taiwan, Turkey/Greece, Serbia/Kosovo and Macedonia. Perhaps add Kuwait there.

If Americans suddenly declared that they will not intervene in any world conflict no more, because they have to stand trial after each intervention, what would world look like in a month?

[Bereta_Eder]

oh I don;t know vetlegion.

you get to be judge and jury. murderer and judge. and you don;t do it for humanitarian reasons but for your interests. that makes you a tyran to be confined/crushed.

if US didn;t exist the first to go would be all the eastern european countries. (Big Mother Russia). The balkans (croatia included) would return to orthodox/communist control through Russia again.

As to Greece/Turkey there wouldn;t be a cold war imposed on them nor would anyone play them against eachother.

You'd be surprised to know how many mature politicians exist both in Turkey and Greece (why do you think there was no war so many decades? - american ships are not 24/7 in the aegean actually they almost never are you know).
but maybe there would be war yes. some think it's inevitable without asia minor greek.

but if US stopped being polic eman
1.orthodox axis formed (Russia, Ukraine Serbia (and croatia with or without consent), Bulgaria, FYROM, Greece etc bye, bye to Asia for the US, western europe.
2. middle east gone. bye,bye oil
3.communism flared in many european countries - bye,bye cooperation - peace
4. terrorism reign supreme agiants the US - bye,bye internal security

etc etc etc

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by VetLegion
I can think of at least five crisis areas kept at peace by them, Bosnia, China/Taiwan, Turkey/Greece, Serbia/Kosovo and Macedonia. Perhaps add Kuwait there.

Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia: Crisis created by US (mostly).

China/Taiwan: China invades and annexes Taiwan. Who cares?

Turkey/Greece: EU should help Greece; Turks deserve a beating.

Kuwait: Let Saddam have it; Kuwaitis are really Iraqis, anyway.

Without the US, all those crises could easily and speedily be resolved. They could have been resolved for decades.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia: Crisis created by US (mostly).

I would have to blame the EU cowardice for those. They had the power readily available to have settled it themselves before we got involved in with those events.

China/Taiwan: China invades and annexes Taiwan. Who cares?

The Taiwanese who don't want to be annexed.

Turkey/Greece: EU should help Greece; Turks deserve a beating.

It's none of the EU's concern. They should let the two whining children settle it among themselves.

Kuwait: Let Saddam have it; Kuwaitis are really Iraqis, anyway.

The Kuwaitis seem to disagree on that point.

Without the US, all those crises could easily and speedily be resolved. They could have been resolved for decades.

Without Europe most of these crises would never have started in the first place.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


I would have to blame the EU cowardice for those. They had the power readily available to have settled it themselves before we got involved in with those events.

USa trained the albanian terrorists. they created and europe was unprepared. I give you that. hence the speed for the rapid reaction force.

The Taiwanese who don't want to be annexed.

You just care enough to piss China, so you can just piss of (not really )

It's none of the EU's concern. They should let the two whining children settle it among themselves.

Let's see. Someone has to guard Europe's backdoor. WHo's better a fully democratic large Greece or an unstable dictatorship with islamist ressurection danger?

The Kuwaitis seem to disagree on that point.

Not the people. their governemnt maybe.

Without Europe most of these crises would never have started in the first place.

Replace Europe with US

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
USa trained the albanian terrorists.

Proof?

they created and europe was unprepared.

Europe was incompetent and was unwilling to do anything substantive until they were able to get the US to but its nose in where it had no material interest.

Replace Europe with US

The Middle East crisis and the India/Pakistan conflict are the result of European actions. We are left to deal with your mess.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Proof?

plenty. i've already produced it. meanwhile no proof for what you are saying. (CNN "news" UN tribula don;t count do you have anything else?)

Europe was incompetent and was unwilling to do anything substantive until they were able to get the US to but its nose in where it had no material interest.

It was the US which orchastrated. Europe didn;t want it. And there was interest: you can continue to dictate defense policies in Eu - not a small thing.

The Middle East crisis and the India/Pakistan conflict are the result of European actions. We are left to deal with your mess.

I am from Greece. It is another Europe you must speak of.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
plenty. i've already produced it.

BAM! strikes again.

Europe didn;t want it.

Europe was too much of a pacifist coward to do what they felt needed to be done without US power to back them up.

I am from Greece. It is another Europe you must speak of.

I speak of the actions of an EU member, paiktis22. Stop being purposefully obtuse, Moneypenny.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


BAM! strikes again.

Europe was too much of a pacifist coward to do what they felt needed to be done without US power to back them up.

Europe doesn;t have a unified politcal entity yet. That's what you took advantage of and created the Serbian tragedy with separationist propaganda and mainly by terrorists training.

I speak of the actions of an EU member, paiktis22. Stop being purposefully obtuse, Moneypenny.

Then don;t leave logical gaps. Yopu say EU you mean Greece as well or don;t you? An attack on Greece is an attack on the EU so you can't say the EU should let them fight it out.
Get your act together and decide whether you talk about the EU or about Europe goldfinger.

[Roland]

"Europe was incompetent and was unwilling to do anything substantive until they were able to get the US to but its nose in where it had no material interest."

Well why then was the insane ***** so gung-ho about bombing Serbia without even having an exit or follow-up strategy ?

[Fidel]

slobo ripping bakalli into shreds

I do not know how many of you follow the trial, but slobo is cross-examining the first witness. he is literally ripping him into shreds - ridiculing his testimony on several occasions and he caught him lying several times