9/11 Insignificant?

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by El Awrence


That's like asking who the mayor of Lyon is on the scale you brought it down to.

No not quite, that would be like asking who the mayor of Detroit or Charlotte or Boise is.

Argentina didn't have any wars between 1880 and 1982. And mind you, that wasn't technically on Argentine soil either.

I said continent, not country. My point was that Europe killed itself with war up until about 1945. In Africa its still going on. Asia, same thing. South America has had lots of wars as has Central America.

When people become used to thier buildings being blown up and troops fighting on thier soil they may have a different outlook on an event like 9/11 as opposed to countries that have not seen war firsthand on thier own turf for 100-150 years.

Canada, United States and Mexico havnt been in military conflict with each other since 1847 (Mexican-American War). No outside power has attacked the continent since the war of 1812. Its just not part of our culture over here. That is why it is more shocking to us.

[Dr. Nick]

When people become used to thier buildings being blown up and troops fighting on thier soil they may have a different outlook on an event like 9/11 as opposed to countries that have not seen war firsthand on thier own turf for 100-150 years.

Well, we haven't had a war, but we've had worse to which we lost about 30,000 innocent civilians who agonised for days being tortured and were then tossed into a river.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by El Awrence
It [the Franz Ferdinand assassination] technically lead to the cold war. I'd say yes.

No, didn't lead to the cold war IMO. I think it caused WWI, and WWI cause WWII, but WWII didn't cause the cold war. At the time of the assassination, Russia had had a revolution 9 years ago, and had the seeds for another one in only a few years. They would have become communist whether or not the war started. The US would have just become a stronger capitalist nation, maybe even avoided the depression. Americans would have even stronger beliefs in capitalism, and that would lead to a war against russia. You could argue that America wouldn't have invented the Atomic Bomb or the Hydrogen Bomb if it weren't for the Pacific world war. I think, though, the US would invent the Atomic bomb in an arms race against russia. Russia would steal the plans, and the cold war would start.

So, anyway, get to my own point. I think it was only important because of Austria-Hungary's reaction to it.

I think that the attacks were not blown out of proportion. The kennady assassination was.

[Dr. Nick]

Yes, but without Russian involvement in a world war the revolution wouldn't have happened for a while, and there would have been a much stronger anti-Comintern agreement as Imperial Germany remained strong.

Mind you, I still think that WWI was caused by the dismissal of Bismarck as the ultimate cause in the long run.