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  • Ethics test

    Would be right here.

    Of course, it's in Finnish, but when has that bothered you?

    ...

    All right, it might bother you poor foreigners a wee bit. Here are the questions, translated by your truly. (Options, BTW, are, in order from green bar to the red "Completely agree - agree - can't say - disagree - completely disagree")

    1. What becomes of a person depends on his/her genes.
    2. Everything that exists has a meaning, and nothing exists just coincidentally.
    3. Everyone should live so that their actions cause as much sensual pleasure as possible.
    4. Technological development and economical growth will lead to world becoming better place to live for everyone.
    5. I believe that God or some higher power exists.
    6. I don't want to tie myself to any particular religion.
    7. Man shouldn't strive to be lord of the nature, but one species amongst others.
    8. If no particular suffering is caused to animals, I have nothing against fur farming.
    9. I believe to at least some supernatural phenomenons.
    10. It is right that people with large income pay considerably larger share of their income as taxes than people with small income.
    11. Everybody should participate in political decision-making according to their possibilities.
    12. War and violence are primarily caused by male power.
    13. There is nothing morally wrong with suicide.
    14. Government should only concentrate on maintaining the public order.
    15. Some attempts at achieving equality by women have gone too far.
    16. Politicians should always act according to wish of majority.
    17. Earth has been visited by intelligent creatures from another planet.
    18. I believe to life after death.
    19. People, goods and capital should move between continents as freely as possible.
    20. There is no commonly human, commonly applicable or "natural" morality.
    21. Property rights are the basis of freedom.
    22. Man, like other animals, is guided by his instincts.
    23. Homosexuality is unnatural and therefore to be condemned.
    24. Witches and shamans have much knowledge about healing not possessed by modern medicine.
    25. You can do anything you want, unless it causes harm to others.
    26. While I naturally don't accept assault, physical discipline of children shouldn't be entirely forbidden.
    27. My attitude towards work is well described by the comment from (important Finnish book) Tuntematon Sotilas "The things that have to be done will be done, but otherwise, no need to give a damn." (1)
    28. Saying "Strong make it while the weak fall" applies to society, too.
    29. Person should only strive for modest standard of life, so his/her basic needs are satisfied.
    30. Every citizen has the duty to participate in defense of his/her country or otherwise help in defense.
    31. A person should especially be valued according to how difficult and productive his/her work is.
    32. Abortion laws in Finland should be substantially tightened. (2)
    33. In future most problems where answers have been sought from religion or philosophy will be answered by science.

    (1) Crappy translation - saying's much better in original book, but I doubt anyone would have understood "What needs to be done will be done, but otherwise we'll be like Ellu's chickens."
    (2) You can get abortion if:

    1. If life of mother is in danger
    2. If child will cause undue burdens to life of family
    3. If the pregnancy is caused by rape
    4. If mother is under 17, over 40, or she has already given birth to 4 children
    5. If there is reason to except child has developmental disorder or he has or will develop difficult illness or physical problem
    6. If one or both parents have difficult sickness or mentally imbalanced or there is a reason comparable to those strongly limiting their ability to take care of child.

    Abortion is legal for above mentioned reasons until 12th week of pregnancy, after that until 20th week with express permission from Department of Health and until 24th week if the child is disabled.

    Anyway, I got:

    1. Anthony Giddens 83.0%
    2. Jürgen Habermas 77.0%
    3. Karl R. Popper 76.0%

    From Finns, I got Ben Zyskowicz as top choice, which is... scary.
    "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
    "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

  • #2
    Can you give me a translation, please?

    "Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

    1. Kari Enqvist 78.0%
    2. Anthony Giddens 76.0%
    3. Thomas Hobbes 73.0%
    Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Martin Buber 43.0%

    Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

    1. Kirjailija Matti Mäkelä 80.0%
    2. Kansantaiteilija, yht.maist. Simo Frangen 73.0%
    3. MTK:n pj. Esa Härmälä 70.0%"

    It is good, it is bad?
    I am crazy?
    "Respect the gods, but have as little to do with them as possible." - Confucius
    "Give nothing to gods and expect nothing from them." - my motto

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    • #3
      Mielipiteitäsi lähimpänä oleva filosofi on Erkki Niinivaara (1907-1985).
      [ Lisätietoja filosofista ]

      Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

      1. Erkki Niinivaara 77.0%
      2. Matti Luoma 76.0%
      3. Carl Gustaf Jung 74.0%
      Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Josef Vissarionovits Stalin 44.0%

      Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

      1. Yrttitilallinen Virpi Raipala-Cormier 77.0%
      2. Kirjailija Kata Kärkkäinen 75.0%
      3. Toimittaja Pertti Salovaara 73.0%

      Hmmm, I kinda understand what this means. Who's the Erkki guy? I regonize Jung and Stalin! Help me out Stefu!
      "It woulda been nice to have naked midgets serving us cocktails everyday." - Brandon Boyd of Incubus

      "...gays who, because they just NEEDED their orgies..." -Mr. A. Speer

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      • #4
        Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

        1. John Maynard Keynes 77.0%
        2. Edward Westermarck 74.0%
        3. Machiavelli 73.0%
        Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Starhawk 35.0%

        Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

        1. Europarlamentaarikko Esko Seppänen 69.0%
        2. Europarlamentaarikko Esko Seppänen 66.0%
        3. Kansantaiteilija, yht.maist. Simo Frangen 64.0%

        In een hoerekotje aan den overkant emmekik mijn bloem verloren,
        In een hoerekotje aan den overkant bennekik mijn bloemeke kwijt

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        • #5
          Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

          1. Anthony Giddens 76.0%
          2. Eduard Bernstein 73.0%
          3. Ilkka Niiniluoto 70.0%
          Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Tuomas Akvinolainen 46.0%
          Anthony Giddens? Eduard Bernstein?

          Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

          1. Kirjailija Kata Kärkkäinen 74.0%
          2. Kansantaiteilija, yht.maist. Simo Frangen 73.0%
          3. Juontaja Marco Bjurström 72.0%
          Just what I always expected...

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          • #6
            Mielipiteitäsi lähimpänä oleva filosofi on Jürgen Habermas (1929- ).
            [ Lisätietoja filosofista ]

            Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

            1. Jürgen Habermas 84.0%
            2. Eduard Bernstein 83.0%
            3. Arthur Schopenhauer 78.0%
            Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Anton Szandor LaVey 47.0%

            Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

            1. Kirjailija Matti Mäkelä 83.0%
            2. MTK:n pj. Esa Härmälä 76.0%
            3. Näyttelijä Mari Rantasila 75.0%
            I recognize Habermas and Schopenhauer (although I'm not familiar with Schopenhauer's work), and I think that Anton LaVey was the fellow who founded the Church of Satan. Don't recognize anybody on the bottom.
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            • #7
              Explanation might be needed. What the page tells is what philosophers think most like you, with percentage of how nearby they are you next to them. There's also the one most opposed to your ideals - with Hobbes it's Stalin. It also mentions important Finnish persons who think like you. Amongst philosophers, there are Finns and foreigners. Googling should get info on foreign philosophers, with Finns it's bit more difficult, but I might be able to find info on those that you need.

              Mihai: Kari Enqvist is a physicist. Here's his homepage. Of the Finns, Matti Mäkelä is an author, Simo Frangen a very funny entertainer, and Esa Härmälä the chairman of agricultural special interests promotion group MTK.

              Hobbes: Erkki Niinivaara was a priest who believed to bringing religion a bit closer to working people and to church acting in midst of people's everyday life to promote social conscience and general spirit of society. Matti Luoma is a philosopher on subjects of culture and religion, who has studied Buddhism and Hinduism and lectures on those. Of the Finns, Virpi Raimala-Cormier is a herb farmer (?), Kata Kärkkäinen author who once appeared on Playboy (and I don't mean in article), and Pertti Salovaara a journalist.
              "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
              "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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              • #8
                I'm beginning to believe this wasn't a good idea. Learn Finnish, dammit!

                Assur: Esko Seppänen, who you for some reason got twice, is a leftist euro-parlamentarian representing Leftist Alliance, which is, um, left-wing party.

                Juggernaut: Marco Bjurström is particularily annoying TV host.

                loinburger: You naturally don't recognize anyone on the bottom, as they're Finns. Nevertheless, Mari Rantasila is an actress.
                "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Stefu
                  I'm beginning to believe this wasn't a good idea. Learn Finnish, dammit!
                  It's easy enough to figure out what the percentages mean, we don't really need to know Finnish for that. The only trouble is that most of us aren't familiar with the people that we're compared to, especially the folks on the bottom.
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                  • #10
                    VERTAILUN TULOS

                    Mielipiteitäsi lähimpänä oleva filosofi on Leonardo da Vinci .
                    [ Lisätietoja filosofista ]

                    Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

                    1. Leonardo da Vinci 75.0%
                    2. Edward Westermarck 73.0%
                    3. Charles Darwin 73.0%
                    Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Mestari Rinzai Gigen 41.0%

                    Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

                    1. Kirjailija Matti Mäkelä 70.0%
                    2. Kansantaiteilija, yht.maist. Simo Frangen 67.0%
                    3. Kansanedustaja Ben Zyskowicz 65.0%

                    Humppa!

                    Anyone know who Mestari Rinzai Gigen is?

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                    • #11
                      Machiavelli... I better go read up on it now I think. I have been accused of Machiavellian, but I've never properly understood what it meant.

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                      • #12
                        Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

                        1. Arthur Schopenhauer 77.0%
                        2. Anthony Giddens 74.0%
                        3. Immanuel Kant 73.0%
                        Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Alasdair Macintyre 46.0%

                        Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

                        1. Kansantaiteilija, yht.maist. Simo Frangen 73.0%
                        2. Kirjailija Matti Mäkelä 73.0%
                        3. Kirjailija Kata Kärkkäinen 70.0%

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                        One thing I have to say to this.... SPEAK ENGLISH!
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #13
                          I think the scariest think about this poll is that there are apparently important Finnish people.
                          When one is someone, why should one want to be something?
                          ~Gustave Flaubert

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                          • #14
                            I can not understand two things:
                            1. How on Earth did all those foreigners bother to take this test with all that trouble, and
                            2. How come my ethics are unlike those of Simo Frangén?

                            1. Richard Rorty 70.0%
                            2. Auguste Comte 67.0%
                            3. Thomas Hobbes 67.0%
                            Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu/most resentment Simone Weil 42.0%

                            Finns:

                            1. Yrittäjä Aira Samulin 70.0%

                            In our series of annoying people, this 70-year old woman's much too often heard laughter makes you get goosebumps and who invented the abomination of making 3rd graders dance some sort of silly hip-hop-trance-whatever in school sports classes, and for which I still hope I and she could meet, with me having a fully loaded and operational M16 rifle - and a flamethrower. But you must respect her for her amazing virility and the fact that she has been able to raise a mentally ill daughter.

                            2. Kirjailija Tommy Tabermann 68.0%

                            A poet, who is known of amazing interest in the woman's... anatomy , and writes (sometimes very explicit) romantic poems.

                            3. Yrttitilallinen Virpi Raipala-Cormier 67.0%
                            No idea whatsoever, but she must be a nice fellow since she agrees with me.
                            Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Thank you for helping us help you help us all!

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                            • #15
                              The top three...
                              1. Anthony Giddens 84.0%
                              2. Kari Enqvist 80.0%
                              3. Edward Westermarck 77.0%
                              Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Sören Kierkegaard 42.0%

                              Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

                              1. Kirjailija, pakinoitsija Seppo Ahti 78.0%
                              2. Kirjailija Matti Mäkelä 75.0%
                              3. Säveltäjä Einojuhani Rautavaara 74.0%


                              Hmm... I've done this test 3 or 4 times (about every 6 months or so), and every time Anthony Giddens has been on top, while Sören Kierkegaard has always been on bottom. However, the other philosophers have varied.
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