Why are muslims more prone to terrorism as a means to achieve their goals?

[Berzerker]

But a large percentage of terrorists ARE Muslim. Therefore they are statistically more prone to terrorism.

Depends on how you define "terrorism". If it is the intentional murder of an innocent to scare others to do as you say, then government(s) is the largest terrorist organization in the world.

[Roland]

"Roland if you want to talk about those lists any more, than you need to read them as I'm not going to spoon feed you."

Ok... so what's the point of the division between certified and other ? "Evilness", I assume ?

"But a large percentage of terrorists ARE Muslim. Therefore they are statistically more prone to terrorism."

Really ? Even if I buy that list, it shows that a large percentage of terrorist _organisations_ are somehow muslim-related. Considering the tendency of the PLO alone to factionize... Got any membership data ? Active terrorists only, by religion, please.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior


I heard : for 10 black men who commited a murder, 9 are imprisoned until they are executed.
for 10 white men who commited a murder, less than 7 are executed...

Is it true ?

Well blacks receive the death penalty disproportionatley higher than whites commiting the same crimes.

[Kropotkin]

But a large percentage of terrorists ARE Muslim. Therefore they are statistically more prone to terrorism.

* There's a hell of a lot of muslims out there. Not sure about the terrorist per capita...

*What defines a muslim? Is a terrorist muslim if he's born in a muslim country?

*The reasons why people in muslim countries are more prone to turn to terrorism is probably due to a number of factors, must of them have nothing or very little to do with religion in itself.

[Ted Striker]

I have no idea what your first question means

Got any membership data ?

Sure, let me call up al-Queda Public Relations department and I'll ask for their donation list.

Active terrorists only, by religion, please.

Are you f ucking illiterate!?! READ THE DAMN LIST THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF IT!!

Every single organization I listed was both:

1) ACTIVE
2) MUSLIM

DUH!!!

[Ted Striker]

*What defines a muslim? Is a terrorist muslim if he's born in a muslim country?

I think it has something to do with...oh, what was that...oh yeah, could it be, having the word "MUSLIM" or "ISLAMIC" in the name of the organization?

[orange]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Nobody is saying that they are terrorists simply because they are Muslim.

"Why are muslims more prone to terrorism as a means to achieve their goals"

It is unfair to categorize muslims as being more or less prone to terrorism simply because they are muslims.

The idea is, there are plenty of non-terrorist muslims. Is it also fair to say that Arabs are more prone to terrorism as a means to achieve their goals? Middle Easterners are more prone to terrorism as a means to achieve their goals? Asians are more prone to terrorism as a means to achieve their goals? Palestinians are more prorne to terrorism as a means to achieve their goals?

It's not the religious affiliation that is causing them to use terrorism. It's the situation that they're in, and the fact that most people in that situation are of a certain religion.

[Roland]

I asked: "Active terrorists only, by religion, please."

I see terrorist _organisations_ in that list. Not terrorists. Also, there are say arab nationalist terrorists of christian faith.

It's quite funny... I'd agree there is a lot of islam-related terrorist activity, but I fail to see any way to get this into numbers. Unless you do as you say and call up al-Queda Public Relations department andask for their membership list....

You have one jewish org. on that list. Globally, there are about 80-100 times more muslims than jews. So judging from your list with what 25 muslim orgs, Jews are 3-4 times more prone to be terrorists than muslims ?

[Ted Striker]

You guys are just not getting it and are putting words in my mouth, trying to advance your own agenda.

That second quote you mentioned, ORANGE, was not mine.

I am not implying that one of the CAUSES of the Muslim terrorist groups is that they are Muslim. Don't even try and stuff that in my mouth.

But the fact of the matter is, I will gurarantee there is many more terrorists out there that are Muslim than non Muslim.

I have presented evidence to back this up, and you all have attempted to refute it, yet have NOT provided any evidence of your own to counter it.

There are also plenty of non black players in the NBA, so it's most likely that an NBA player is black.

So I'm a racist for saying that it is most likely that given a random player in the NBA, he will most likely be black?

[Az]

Roland : good point . one jewish organization.

but if we would run statistics on their support relatively to population size, i bet the result would be different.

anyway , jewish terrorist groups are almost not active , on the other side there is plenty activity of the muslim ones, don't you think?

It's not the religious affiliation that is causing them to use terrorism. It's the situation that they're in, and the fact that most people in that situation are of a certain religion.

well that's just not true. if you see the incomes in the arab countries like syria and egypt , and compare them to , say , no muslim african countries , or non-muslim asian countries , you'll see that the ones that are poorer are the ones that are not muslim .

[Roland]

"but if we would run statistics on their support relatively to population size, i bet the result would be different."

I agree with you, but the point was only to highlight the counting of terror orgs as slightly useless.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Roland
You have one jewish org. on that list. Globally, there are about 80-100 times more muslims than jews. So judging from your list with what 25 muslim orgs, Jews are 3-4 times more prone to be terrorists than muslims ?

Good point

[orange]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
orange, you just are not getting it.

No, I get it. I'm not implying that you're a racist or that the one who started this thread is. You're not listening...

Nobody is implying that one of the CAUSES of the Muslim terrorist groups is that they are Muslim.

...it is apparent that people of the muslim religion are more prone to use terrorism for achieving their aims...

That is a false statement the way it is worded. It is not apparent that people of the muslim religion are more prone to using terrorism for achieving their aims.

Many things are apparent...for example...
Many terrorist organizations are made up of Muslims
A higher number of Muslims are terrorirsts than members of other religious groups

...but it is NOT apparent that Muslims are more prone to use terrorism because of these statistics.

What is apparent, instead, is that people in the situation that terrorirsts are in are more likely to use acts of terrorism to achieve their goals.

There are also plenty of non black players in the NBA.

So I'm a racist for saying that it is most likely that given a random player in the NBA, he will most likely be black?

No. You also wouldn't be a racist if you said that given a random terrorist, he would most likely be Muslims/Arab/from Palestine if you had the numbers and percentages to back it up (which I'm sure they exist, I'm not refuting that they do)

But the person is not more likely to become a terrorist simply because he is muslim.

You'll note that before this post, I have not used the word racist or any other word with similar meaning.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Well blacks receive the death penalty disproportionatley higher than whites commiting the same crimes.

[orange]

Well, you edited your post quite a bit, so here's a new post from me...

Originally posted by Ted Striker
You guys are just not getting it and are putting words in my mouth, trying to advance your own agenda.

Stop whining. No one is doing any of this. Please tell me, what is my hidden agenda?

That second quote you mentioned, ORANGE, was not mine.

I NEVER CLAIMED THAT IT WAS! You said "no one claimed yada yada yada" and I showed you why I thought that they did. Did I say that you said it? NO! I quoted the God damn thread title!

I am not implying that one of the CAUSES of the Muslim terrorist groups is that they are Muslim. Don't even try and stuff that in my mouth.

Never did, never tried. Again, have yet to call you or anyone in this thread a "racist" or "bigot" or anything of the sort. Any reason you're being so goddamn defensive Ted?

But the fact of the matter is, I will gurarantee there is many more terrorists out there that are Muslim than non Muslim.

Prove it! You have yet to do so. Get exact figures, buddy, and then we'll talk.

I have presented evidence to back this up, and you all have attempted to refute it, yet have NOT provided any evidence of your own to counter it.

If I give you 1 million organizations with 1 member each of one 'group', and one organization with one million and one people in it of another 'group', which group has more terrorists? According to you, the first, because there are more terrorist organizations. You haven't given numerical data at all...