Who is the best US President, in your opinion?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Total isolationism
Foreign intervention

Foreign intervention is an American tradition, David. Total isolationism is a myth that is totally foreign to American history and most of its political thought.

[David Floyd]

Actually, back to the standing army question, none of the Founders wanted a standing army, they viewed that as a constraint on liberty. With that in mind, I think a reasonable interpretation is that money could be appropriated to raise a standing army if necessary, but only for two year periods. The obvoius workaround (duh) is redoing it every two years, but that was not the original intent.

As to a standing navy, most of the Founders DID want a standing navy of some sort.

[August Borms]

Wilson!!

He protected us from the evil French after ww1...

I think...

[Stefu]

My opinion is backed up, the democrats here haven't back up horsecrap.

Oh yes. We can always be sure that when the regular horsecrap fails, Giancarlo has some backup horsecrap somewhere.

[Rex Little]

One thing no one has mentioned about Nixon is that he instituted wage and price controls. For me, that was enough to put him in the bottom 10.

[Giancarlo]

Oh yes. We can always be sure that when the regular horsecrap fails, Stefu has some backup horsecrap somewhere.

[Stefu]

Oh yes. We can always be sure that when the regular horsecrap fails, Stefu has some backup horsecrap somewhere.

See, humor in here was based on that you said that "democrats haven't back up horsecrap", implying that someone else, presumably you, have back-up horsecrap, and from that, logically the back-up horsecrap is designed to replace the regular horsecrap of yours. However, considering that my humorous statement was based on something you said, it loses it's humor and its relevance when you direct it at me, only changing the name of the speaker from you to me. Therefore, your post not only made no sense, it was also very very, very sad.

[Hoek]

The only reason the missile defense program didn't cost more than the exteme amounts it already cost is because the Air Force realized that it was unfeasable and faked a test. Giancarlo: your chart selection is rather biased. Real Median income is not a good measure of the economy. You fail to present the purchase power of the spectrum of income categories, which would give a better picture of the economy. If Reagan was fiscally responsible, he would have rejected the budget. You also fail to show how bailing out the S+L corporations helped anybody but the heads of those corporations. You will note that I did not defend Johnson, because I don't think he was a good president.

Truman laid the groundwork by integrating the military. Marshall Plan and Truman Doctrine were important cornerstones of foreign policy.

[David Floyd]

One thing no one has mentioned about Nixon is that he instituted wage and price controls. For me, that was enough to put him in the bottom 10.

That's a very good point, Rex, I hadn't thought of that.

[Wraith]

Clinton. :Shudder: If he counts as good, I'd hate to see a bad one.

Rex Little sums up my feelings on the matter pretty well.

--"The 'evidence' that FDR 'new' about Pearl before it happened was circumstantial at best."

I don't think you even need to consider this to make FDR drop significantly in the list. How many other Presidents have required Constitutional Amendments after their time in office designed to prevent specific abuses of power they had performed? I mean, you want to talk about vote buying...
Of course, as a Libertarian I wouldn't support his kind of policies in any case, but not that many Presidents have been able to threaten the Supreme Court.

--"Next, I would put FDR, since he saved democracy and capitalism."

If what FDR supported was capitalism, my name's Phinneas P. Slug. And it isn't.
I'm also curious as to when and where Clinton ever supported free trade.

--"Let's not forget the savings and loan collapses and subsequent bailouts under his watch."

The whole S&L crisis was inevitable once the government started interfering in banking, so you can tie the root cause of this far further back than Reagan.
I mean, honestly. The government starts insuring investments, what else is going to happen but a lot of people taking advantage of it to make risky investments? It had to topple sooner or later.
Not that Reagan did anything to fix the problem, of course. We haven't had an actual good President from any party for a long, long time.

Wraith
"I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the suggested legislation."
-- Letter from Franklin D. Roosevelt to Rep. Samuel B. Hill (July 6, 1935)

[Richard Bruns]

James Knox Polk. He did his job well and he didn't puff himself up. Overall a good president and a good person.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hoek
The only reason the missile defense program didn't cost more than the exteme amounts it already cost is because the Air Force realized that it was unfeasable and faked a test. Giancarlo: your chart selection is rather biased. Real Median income is not a good measure of the economy. You fail to present the purchase power of the spectrum of income categories, which would give a better picture of the economy. If Reagan was fiscally responsible, he would have rejected the budget. You also fail to show how bailing out the S+L corporations helped anybody but the heads of those corporations. You will note that I did not defend Johnson, because I don't think he was a good president.

Truman laid the groundwork by integrating the military. Marshall Plan and Truman Doctrine were important cornerstones of foreign policy.

I disagree. You fail to provide any evidence at all.

Truman?



Nice deficit. It was horrible. The democrats really messed up the US with a nice deficit, that gave Eisenhower hell to decrease. And although Reagan increased the deficit, it would inturn decrease because of economic growth.

And for those who hate Nixon and love zero deficit are idiots... Nixon led the country through years that had the lowest deficit ever. It shows the hypocracy of the democrats, it is not them who support zero deficit but the republicans.

[orange]

Originally posted by Scott F
Quite a contrast to how all liberals generally claim that Reagan was senile during his entire presidency anyway, isn't it? You can't have it both ways.

Either way it's bad. Either it was all a scam, or he really was asleep at the post. I don't want it both ways, either is fine.


Giancarlo - you little ****bag. I asked politely for where those charts came from and you still have yet to show me where. And you wonder why this forum hates you...right, left, communist, republican. This is why. You are a complete ******* in every sense.

Oh and another thing... I provide evidence and it still can't be respected?

Again, I asked where it came from...that's ALL. You have yet to show me where. That's all I wanted!

Orange, a self-proclaimed communist, disagrees with me because Reagan caused the Soviet Union to collapse.

This is by far the funniest thing I've seen out of your mouth.

A) I'm not a communist, nor do I claim to be. I'm a moderate socialist at best. "self-proclaimed communist" indeed. Man...you need to get a life pal.

B) I never even referred to the collapse of the Soviet Union!

Well you are in luck Orange, Cuba is still around. Go and move there maybe you will be more happy.

yeah ok, you'll have to excuse me for a moment, my comrades and I are going to go burn some American flags and then quote excerpts from the Manifesto.

Go look at Carter or Clinton for a change?

In regards to what??

And who said JFK is the best president?

Not I. I personally think the man was one of our lower presidents, I agree with what Imran said on the subject...so why exactly are you yelling at me for it?

He is the one who was elected with the help from the mob. Always the liberals that are connected to the mob and ****.

Have you had your medicine today?

An old man? He is much wiser than you. Or Mondale. Mondale was a young idiot.

Thanks for sharing.

Falling asleep at meetings? That happened twice during his two adminstrations. The bureaucrats would of put me to sleep as well.

I'm sure it happened more than that, buddy boy. If it were a liberal falling asleep at the meetings, you'd be spewing your pro-Republican propoganda.

Face it, your are anti-neo-classicist and an anti-westerner.

I consider myself neither of the two.

Again Giancarlo, incase it isn't clear to you, you are an *******. Good day.

[David Floyd]

orange-

The charts came from http://www.reaganlegacy.org

I know this because I checked the properties of the pictures

[orange]

haha! Thanks David

That's ironic because I put in the first post that the charts seem like something that would come from www.reaganisgod.org