Which US Wars Were Justified?

[Ramo]

Independence - Justified.

Barbary War - Justified.

War of 1812 - Unjustified. AFAIK, the primary battles in this war were fought against the Amerindians, and those were certainly wrong.

Mexican War - Unjustified. It's a simple case of aggression.

Civil War - Unjustified. The Constitution doesn't prohibit secession.

War against Amerindians - Unjustified. They did own the land, even if they didn't "claim" it by European standards. To suggest otherwise is bullcrap.

WW I - Unjustified. We had no business being involved in a war of nationalism.

WW II - Justified. The Japanese attacked us, and the Germans declared war on us. And both regimes were far more atrocious than ours.

Korean War - Unjustified. We had no business aiding one side in a civil war.

Viet Nam War - Unjustified. See Korean War, except the South Vietnamese people did not support us.

Gulf War - Unjustified. The Iraqi government wasn't much worse than the Kuwaiti government, so we had no business trying to put it back in power.

Hoek, regarding Panama, Philippines, etc., I was including the most major wars...

You say the War agains the Barbary Pirates is a major war, but the Philippines isn't? A war where a quarter million (conservatively) civilans died, where widescale concentration camps were used, isn't major, but a pidly little naval war is?

[Seeker]

The poll seems to indicate Americans believe that the Korean War was less justified than Vietnam???

[faded glory]

Independence: Justified

War of 1812: Justified

Mexican-American War: Justified (Mexico invaded Texas Ramo!!)

Amerindian Wars: Justified somewat..with criticism annd anger included.

Spanish-American War: Unjustified...spaniards never really attacked us! Yellow Journalists angered te public so much that opinion was too much in favor of war to bother 'investigating te Maine'

Carrbiean invasions: Unjustified...

WW1: Justified...German's sunk our ships!

WW2: Justified, again we were attacked.

Korea: Justified...we saved a people from tyranny and hanted the spread of Communism on the korean pennisula.

Viet'nam: Justified...but with harsh criticsm. We tought wecould do there what we did in korea.

Panama: Definetaly! Noriega was a drug lord and warmonger.

Granada: Yes...halted Cuban influence in Carrbiean

Gulf War: Justified..Not about despotic regimes Ramo...It was about Saddam controlling 1/3 of te worlds oil.

Kosovo: Justified....Ethnnic cleansing.

War on Terror: Justified...

You say the War agains the Barbary Pirates is a major war, but the Philippines isn't? A war where a quarter million (conservatively) civilans died, where widescale concentration camps were used, isn't major, but a pidly little naval war is?

Where the hell do you hear this from?
This never happened buddy..

[Ramo]

(Mexico invaded Texas Ramo!!)

No, Polk sent an army into the disputed territory to draw the Mexicans into firing the first shot. He expected it to lead to war. That's agression.

Where the hell do you hear this from?
This never happened buddy..

I suggest looking up the Philippines war in any history textbook.

[Ramo]

Justified..Not about despotic regimes Ramo...It was about Saddam controlling 1/3 of te worlds oil.

I know. And I don't see that as a decent justification.

[Seeker]

How were any of the 19th century wars to confine the native tribes to ****ty reserves justified??

Sioux, Crow, Navajo, Cheyenne...I'm having a lot of trouble with this...

Maybe the only tribe the US could be considered 'justified' in fighting was the Iroquois Confederacy for their scalping raids into "American" territory and for siding with the French...but what else did you expect them to do, just allow the settlement of their lands by foreigners??

The Indian Wars really show some US hypocrisy...imagine if you say
'don't come on to our land.'
'PLEASE don't come on to our land.'
'If you violate our land again, we'll KILL you'
(some settlers/miners/ranchers taking native lands are killed)
US Press: 'Innocent settlers/miners/ranchers killed without provocation by the savages!! Break them and confine them to 'reserves' (native tribe massacred by 3/4ths)

If you follow the history of native-white relations this story just repeats itself from Virginia to California for every tribe that didn't just abjectly surrender its sovereignty to the USA.

[Buck Birdseed]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Basically a group of North African Muslim nations went to war against the US, sunk or captured US merchant vessels, took hostages in places such as Tripoli, and the war primarily consisted of a naval blockade and naval war of the Barbary Powers and an overland march across North Africa by less than a dozen US Marines and some native allies.

But they only did that because the US wouldn't pay up money for their, er, insurance! They had to teach the US a lesson, see?

[Rogan Josh]

We were hearing not so long ago about how the US navy was turning back Canadian ships that were transporting goods to Cuba. As a matter of interest, if the Canadians had continued, would the US have fired on them?

If they had, would it be justified for Canada to declare war on the US?

[faded glory]

Kind of like Civ2's Barbarian Ransom

hey Ramo...I thought after Santa Anna turned tail from texas we sent our forces down to mexico. We sent only 10,000 troops...and were outnumbered 4:1. We lost our supply lines to bandits! So te army lived off the land whilst they laid siege to Mexico City.

I dont think this was aggression or Imperialism. Oterwise we wouldnt have given back Mexico's independence


No arguement aobut Phillipines. your probably right.btw What makes you think World War 1 was unjustified? Didnt the Kraut's sink the Lusitinia eh? They would of over-run France in months had it not been for the doughboys (2 million germans were on there way from Russian front to france after brest-litovisk treat. Frensh would of stood no cance)

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Ramo


I know. And I don't see that as a decent justification.

ya its so ironic. Saddam was selling his oil to us for alot cheaper then the Kuwaiti's/Saudi's were .

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
War of 1812 - Unjustified.

How so? The cause of the war was the British unjustified impressment of American citizens. That seems to be a legitimate excuse for the Americans to declare war.

[Ramo]

Didnt the Kraut's sink the Lusitinia eh?

It had arms stashed in it...

hey Ramo...I thought after Santa Anna turned tail from texas we sent our forces down to mexico.

Nope, we sent our troops to Mexico first. I don't think the Mexicans even launched a major offensive against the US during the war, though I may be wrong.

[Ramo]

How so? The cause of the war was the British unjustified impressment of American citizens. That seems to be a legitimate excuse for the Americans to declare war.

It's not a legitimate excuse to steal Amerindian lands, which I see as the major part of the War of 1812.

[Seeker]

No Santa Anna did cross the Rio Grande with a large army. It seems pretty clear he wanted to annex Texas back to Mexico.

So it was pretty justified. And the Californians etc didn't like being part of Mexico anyway (probably because Santa Anna was a loony, believed he was reincarnated Aztec god)

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
It's not a legitimate excuse to steal Amerindian lands, which I see as the major part of the War of 1812.

It is if they allied themselves with the British in the conflict.