Draft Dodgers: Traitors?

[History049]

Yes, traitors. Young, strong, healthy 18-25 year olds resisting the draft because "They want to pursue a career, it's resisting the Feds", which is really an excuse for your own cowardice. Resisting the Feds? Of course that's a good thing. But if you refuse to product the defenseless civilians, you're a lazy no good college drunken drug addicted bum.

[*End Is Forever*]

So you'll be volunteering in three years' time then?

[TCO]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
GP, yes, in a way you are right. But you seem not to understand the idea of seperate spheres. You can have 'character' in one sphere, yet not the other. I guess being a Gemini, I can understand this much better than most .

However, we are hopelessly off topic, so if you want to continue... you know my PM .

You know how I feel and it remains the same. I want you to do the right thing, the manly thing...not for your parents or my or society's or your gf's sake...but for yours.

But, I'm not going to beat you any more. You may have a last word or shift to PM's...

You know you've said a couple times that you'd like me back in lurker/PM mode...

[History049]

Drunk: If there was a draft, I would go.

[Sikander]

Re: your al;ternative is less appealing

Originally posted by GP

I've worked with the top 1%ers from Harvard Business School and I've worked with gritty old Navy cheifs who didn't finish high school.

There's a lot more to llife than getting good grades and getting into a good college...and getting good grades to get into a good grad school...and getting good grades to get into a top firm.

Once you hit the working world...what matters is what you can get done. And if you lack character, you won't be able to lead men.

This is perhaps one of the wisest posts I have ever seen here on Apolyton. Private sector and Military employment are all about results (Academia on the other hand is another story). Leadership is about character. To achieve results as a leader requires character. This sort of character can be learned, though it is rarely taught very well anywhere I have been with the exception of the military. Character is not forged by brown-nosing professors, it is forged by learning how to do the right thing at the right time, through life experience. You do not get that sort of experience in high enough dosages in college in the vast majority of cases.

At work I would rather have almost any guy with one year real life experience on the job than a valedictorian from the university.


As for Libertarians volunteering for service, in Army Intelligence I saw a higher proportion of Libertarians than in any other endeavor I have participated in or known well enough to hazard an opinion. Connorkimbro is just another in a long line.

I also agree wholeheartedly with what Poppa Bear and Rufus T. Firefly said.

[MasterBob The Elder]

No, draft dodgers are not traitors. They don't want to die, its that simple but they aren't going over to the other side like benedict arnold.

There is a big difference between being patriotic and sticking a flag in the front yard and actually risking your life at the front lines. I would do the former, but not the latter.

[Dr. Nick]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Would I have volunteered for World War 2? Probably - my personal morality abhors genocide, etc., but more than that Japan did attack Pearl Harbor (the fact that FDR instigated it is a different argument).

I see that there is a slight contradiction. Fighting due to ubernationalism you consider good, but fighting for the ideology you would reconsider... and yet you appeared to be coming across in an entirely different direction...

[Victor Galis]

"At work I would rather have almost any guy with one year real life experience on the job than a valedictorian from the university."

-I wouldn't.

It appears that I can potentially faint at the sight of blood. (Apparently, I managed to imagine it well enough to knock myself out in health class a couple weeks back. First time it's happened in my life, but my parents both tell me they have a similar condition that I inherited from them. That, poor eyesight, and being totally out of shape (repiratory problems too) would make me not-dodging the draft totally pointless.)

[Chris 62]

Hmm, looks like I'm late to this party.

Quite simply, the answer is "yes" you are.

The reasoning behind your opinions for such a choice vary, but I'm answering the question.

Does that mean I agree with a draft, or conscription of any kind?

No, it doesn't at all.

Conscripted forces always perform below voluteers in service.

Quite simply, your freedoms in the USA come with a price tag, the tag being that if you won't fight for them, you don't deserve them.

Some assert it is their right to be protected and their freedoms assured by others.

Bull.

That's up to each individual. I'm sorry you younger guys would like to be safe and protected by others, but there comes a time when you must stand on your own two feet, or be a forever child.
Someone will come along to take your freedom, it's the lesson of history, it cannot be avoided.

Quite frankly, I'd let your ass be shot rather than protect a coward who doesn't have my back, as would most service personal. We exisit to protect those who cannot protect themselves, not those who do not wish to protect themselves. You think I'd take a bullet for you your out of your mind.

It all boils down to whether being a traitor actually means anything to you, and to many here, from what they say, it doesn't.
That's your choice, but I wouldn't be able to live my life as a worm, but that's a personal choice we all must face.

[MasterBob The Elder]

Some of those cowards that you would shoot, however, finance your war by donating millions, you could shoot them, but then you would have to fight without adequate supplies.

[Victor Galis]

"Quite simply, the answer is "yes" you are."

-So, I'm a traitor if I will not risk my life for a country that won't even let me vote? I'd say something pro-Taliban, but it could get me locked up indefinitely

"Quite simply, your freedoms in the USA come with a price tag, the tag being that if you won't fight for them, you don't deserve them."

-Fair enough. Issue me a full set of freedoms, and then you can consider calling me a traitor if I won't fight for them.

"Someone will come along to take your freedom,"

-I'll move to Canada, at least there patriotism is working for the draft not against it in my mind.

[Chris 62]

Victor my lad, you'd best read my whole post, and try to understand it, instead of cutting it up.

Running to someplace is a chimera.

There may come a time (fairly soon, it seems) when NOWHERE will be safe.

You can run from a country and a set of laws, but it's very difficult to run from yourself.

But, every person must call it as they see it, if those are your choices, than that is what's for you.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
"At work I would rather have almost any guy with one year real life experience on the job than a valedictorian from the university."

-I wouldn't.

I've been working for over 20 years and spent 6 years at the university. What do you base your opinion on?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sikander
What do you base your opinion on?

His own prejudice?

[TCO]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


His own prejudice?

You are so diplomatic...the words "ass" and "pull" never could pass from your lips...