Israeli Dies As Retribution For Israel's Terrorism

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by GP
Matt, are you and Stew going to tell me now that the Sep11th bombings were justified? After all everythings the same to you guys...

learly, after all, we're a bunch of dirty bastards who look out for ourselves and our allies, so we must be "evil' and folks who have nothing to do with the decision making process are open game.




pigf*ckers.

[TCO]

Maybe he got too liquored up tonight. Or maybe another girl offended him by kissing too many guys...

[CyberGnu]

GP, remember that Eli et al. have repeatedly posted similar things whenever a palestinian is assassinated by Israel. While this doesn't defend gloating over a death, it is responding in kind.

Paikitis, I think it is more like 'another 10 are born'.

If Israel wanted security from terrorism, these assassinations are obviously counterproductive. The real reason for them is to sabotage the peace process, but continously outrage the palestinians. With the peaceprocess on hold Israel can continue its policy of starving the palestinians to death and economic ruin... All the time establishing a stronger 'fait accompli'.

It is a sad fact that even intelligent people like MTG can be duped into accepting that might gives right...

[TCO]

Fellow chemist,

I'm not an Israeli apologist. But Stew's act can be judged quite well on its own. No need for any "Mommy, mommy Eli gets to do this" defenses.

There's something weird with that guy. This fits into a pattern.

[DinoDoc]

Here's an interesting question for a few people in this thread

Why should Isreal have to tolerate a higher level of terroristic activity than any other country would without doing something about it?

[Wiglaf]

Some of you say retribution is wrong?

Then why support killing civilians in Afgahnistan, surely more bombing now won't do any good?

pacifist is too nice a word. you have no backbone, you have no heart, and more than likely you have no balls. day and night you moan and groan over the fact that people die in war - grow up, get a sense of what world you live in. join a philosophy club and waste your time there.

laden and his commie friends targeted innocents, we aren't. without us your country would be at risk, be thankful for that and for bush.

[Lonestar]

Re: Here's an interesting question for a few people in this thread

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why should Isreal have to tolerate a higher level of terroristic activity than any other country would without doing something about it?

Because the Elders of Zion ruthlessly removed the Palestinian state with no provokcation whatsoever in 1948 and they're gonna conquer the world!

Of course, I bet Infat's granddaddy was a British soldier in Palestine busily shooting up Jewish refugees who dared to try to run away from a Europe rampant with anti-semitism.

[CyberGnu]

GP, OK, I see what you mean Don't know him that well...

Dino:

Why should Isreal have to tolerate a higher level of terroristic activity than any other country would without doing something about it?

Well, I don't know... Could it be because they occupy palestinian land, and the palestinian 'terrorists' are fighting back the only way they see how?

The cause of the second intifada was the stalling of the peace process... The palestinians saw that endless negotiations never led anywhere, and the longer the fruitless negotiations went on the more land they lost...

The simple observation that Israel never once stopped enlargening their settlements on occupied territory should tell you they never intended to enter the 'final phase' of negotiations...

And so, peaceful alternatives exhausted, the palestinians turned back to the only thing the Israelis ever responded to... Violence.

Israel doesn't have to tolerate terrorism, however. Just give back the occupied land, and properly compensate the people who were displaced. Palestinians are as realistic as any other people.

Wiglaw:
Pacifist doesn't mean coward. Gandhi, the most famous of pacifists, was an extraordinarily couragous man...

And tell me, what do you consider more courageous... Accepting that you might get shot but refusing to budge, or to order the launch of cruise missiles from half a globe away?

I personally think Matthiggs has a lot larger balls than, say, our commander in chief...


That said, I wouldn't classify myself as a pacifist. I have repeatedly said that I think an aggressor should be fought with whatever means necessary. The nuking of Japan? I agree completely. If you attack someone, you have it coming.

But arguments like the eternal Israeli 'He started it when he hit me back', that I don't accept.

[MORON]

ME threads

Flaming

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Well, I don't know... Could it be because they occupy palestinian land, and the palestinian 'terrorists' are fighting back the only way they see how?

Since when has Hamas been interested in negotiations with Isreal? How does murdering innocents further thier cause?

The cause of the second intifada was the stalling of the peace process... The palestinians saw that endless negotiations never led anywhere, and the longer the fruitless negotiations went on the more land they lost...

Plans for the current Intifada were made by the PLO during Camp David II, so you'll have to do better than that.

Israel doesn't have to tolerate terrorism, however. Just give back the occupied land, and properly compensate the people who were displaced. Palestinians are as realistic as any other people.

They'd like too. I think they'd also like to have some assurances that the people they are negotiating with accept Isreal's right to exist, respect the peace process, and are able to crack down on the Islamic militants (the principle benefit Isreal will recieve from this process). So far they've seen none of that.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by GP
*I called Stew ****head because he's the same guy who posted a false report of a bombing in my home town. He also insulted MTG's wife by posting with an extremely crude DL. That he would thumbs up a report of a bombing (BTW Eli, etc. WILL see this) just goes to show what a ****head he is.

GP:

I was wondering who insulted LTEC! in such a crude fashion with such a distasteful DL. Guess I have my answer now. Thanks for the insight, GP.

CYBERAmazon

[Rasputin]

perhpas the native americans should take up arms and kill American citizens too. THeir land has been taken from them !! would that be justified and ok when your son or daughter or wife or mother is killed by natives , perhaps a car bomb planted by them in new york would be ok...

Get real guys,,,, there is no justification for killing innocents, no right to employ terrorist attacks on anyone.......

[August Borms]

[MOBIUS]

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't the violence and provocation all been one way traffic lately!!?

Things seemed to have been pretty quite at least as far as the news in the UK was concerned...

Only on the 20th a US sends envoy and urged halt to Israeli settlements

"Israeli settlement activity has severely undermined Palestinian trust and hope. It pre-empts and prejudges the outcome of negotiations and, in doing so, cripples chances for real peace and security," Mr Powell said adding to considerable applause: "Settlement activity must stop."

Ain't that the truth...

So guess what the Israelis decide to do the very next day...

Israel fortifies illegal settlement

Israel razed Palestinian homes in a Gaza refugee camp and fortified an illegal Jewish outpost in Hebron yesterday, a day after the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, outlined Washington's vision for Middle East peace.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH!!!

Did you know that within hours of the Sept 11th attacks Israelis were cynically taking advantage by increasing the size of the settlement in Hebron!!?

Israel does not want to give up the settlements - it does not want peace!

If it wanted these things, why would it still be expanding the settles in occupied territory!!?

Here's another story of Israeli treatment of unarmed civilians - in this case Israelis (well Arab Israelis!)

Conflicting evidence at inquiry into shooting of Arab citizens

Or there's this one Israeli army admits killing boys

"Until now they have spoken about targeted hits," said the leftwing opposition leader, Yossi Sarid, referring to Israel's strategy of assassinating Palestinian activists. "Yesterday was absolutely not a targeted killing," he told Israel Radio yesterday. "It's a residential area. What kind of bombs do you place in an area where children pass by?"

Hmmm, indescriminate bombing of a residential area... Isn't that what terrorists do?

Then they killed the Hamas dude

In May this year, Israeli F-16 warplanes dropped one-tonne bombs on a Nablus police station, killing at least 10 Palestinians, in a failed bid to assassinate Hanoud.

Yes, he was in a prison cell at the time...

Ever wonder why Israel wants the PA to round up all these terrorists - so then they'll know exactly where to bomb!

With at least 10 people killed in the West Bank and Gaza in the last 48 hours, Palestinian officials accused the Israeli leader, Ariel Sharon, of deliberately escalating tensions.

The killings brought a definitive end to nearly two weeks of relative calm and could wreck any chance of President George Bush's envoys imposing a ceasefire after 14 months of bloody conflict.

"I think he [Sharon] wants to make the American effort fail, and it is an attempt to push the Palestinians to react," said Ahmed Abdel Rahman, the Palestinian cabinet secretary.

So after two weeks where there were no serious attacks on Israelis, exactly who is it that escalates things and starts killing people???

The Israelis!!!

So in the last week alone the Palestinians have had their homes bulldozed, been forcibly evicted from their land so a settlement can expand, been murdered in unprovoked attacks - one of which alarmingly akin to a terrorist attack!

And you wonder why they retaliate!?

Oh here's URL=http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,605668,00.html ]Another interesting article[/URL]

It relates to Palestinians who disappeared in IDF custody during the atrocities of Sabra and Chatilla...

Almost 20 years after the fact, it seems unlikely that Belgium's investigating judge will be able to establish where the disappeared went and what then happened to them. But one thing is certain.

'Israel was in full control from the border to Beirut,' says Mallat. 'Sharon's allies will fight tooth and nail to stop this case from getting to trial because they know that, once it comes to trial, Ariel Sharon has no chance of escaping justice.'

Even Sirotnikov admits that Ariel Sharon is a war criminal!

How many more WTC's have to happen before Americans finally wake up to the fact that they are supporting a wicked daily injustice against the Palestinian peoples!!?

Wake up for F***'s sake!

[Eli]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
GP, remember that Eli et al. have repeatedly posted similar things whenever a palestinian is assassinated by Israel. While this doesn't defend gloating over a death, it is responding in kind.

Again you fail to see the difference between a terrorist who was targeted because he is a terrorist and killed to prevent future teracts because it is too risky to arrest him and a civilian who was killed by people who wanted to kill as much civilians as possible.