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    From the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk


    Wednesday, 21 November, 2001, 13:48 GMT
    US wary of peacekeeping


    The US wants it soldiers to concentrate on fighting


    By the BBC's Jon Leyne


    Despite the progress of the war in Afghanistan, divisions have emerged between the United States and its allies over the next steps forward.

    While Britain prepares for a major peacekeeping role in Afghanistan, the United States has already virtually ruled itself out.



    On the American side, there's been a deep scepticism of peacekeeping, drawn by very bad experiences

    James Lindsay
    A few days ago, US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, said: "The United States may very well decide that at some point they want to put some additional forces on the ground - for example, for the purpose of repairing an airstrip.

    "But in terms of taking US forces and having them become a part of a semi-permanent peacekeeping activity in the country, I think that's highly unlikely."

    The simple fact is that the stepped-up training for US troops has been to fight a war, not to keep the peace.

    Practised peacekeepers

    James Lindsay, a former Clinton administration official, said: "The British are very good at the peacekeeping role, in part because their military leadership has embraced it. They've had a lot of practice, not just in Northern Ireland but also in the Balkans.



    Britain is committed to a major peacekeeping role


    "On the American side, there's been a deep scepticism of peacekeeping, drawn by very bad experiences, largely because when American troops go in as peacekeepers, they tend to draw a lot of fire, because we are the superpower."

    The US was badly burnt by its experience of trying to keep the peace in Somalia in the early 1990s. Ever since then, the idea of nation-building has been taboo.

    But there's a deeper philosophical opposition in Washington to the idea of this superpower dissipating its energy in peacekeeping. The leading right-wing thinker, Frank Gaffney, says it's something US forces simply should not be involved in.

    Different goals

    "We don't see ourselves as just another nation," he said. "By and large, we think that American military personnel should be not used as constabulary forces when what they've been trained to do, what they've been equipped to do and what, generally speaking, they are needed to do is to protect the peace on a more strategic or global basis."



    We don't see ourselves as just another nation

    Frank Gaffney
    Right-wing thinker

    Part of the problem is that Washington is concentrating mostly on destroying the al-Qaeda network, whereas its European allies are focused more on the future of Afghanistan.

    "The Bush administration is in a bit of a pinch here, trying to figure out what to do," said James Lindsay. "But it's quite possible that the best outcome may be for America's allies to send peacekeepers in to stabilise it in the interim, and to have a broader-based peacekeeping force later on.

    "There's nothing that says that Americans have to go in, or that the British, French and Germans can't go in without the Americans."

    The impression in Washington is that this is not a massive policy dispute. Much more controversial will be the next step in the war on terror - the next target for American military action.
    Rome rules

  • #2
    1. If other countries don't want to help they don't have to.

    2. Several countries have offered to help. why shouldn't we take them up?

    3. Several posters on this board...err...well KittyHorse from other countries have said that their countries should/would help in peacekeeping.

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    • #3
      It's only natural for Americans to do the dirty work while the pretty little brits or europeans or whatever focus on their own little interests, aka "peacekeeping."

      According to Bush, since all countries that take the middle ground are enemies like the Taliban themselves, an attack on Britain, Italy, Canada, etc would actually be justified. Of course, if they actually FIRED OFF A SHOT then things would be a little different.

      Had Britain launched a missile for every internationally televised statement that makeup infested Blair made, this war would be LONG over.

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      • #4
        Bloody typical.
        "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
        -Joan Robinson

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        • #5
          We have other more important defense duties to our country. We are not some scandinavian country or Belgium or Holland who have no enemies and no external threats whatsoever.

          We live in the Balkans and we have Turkey as a neighboor.

          Still I think we agreed to boost our presence in the Balkans (FYROM - Yugoslavia) because many of the americans will leave this region. (if it were not for us there wouldn't be a serbian house standing in Kosovo because of the albanian cutthroats you lilly «peacekeepers» )

          The government can get clearance for 1500 soldiers for Afganistan but I don't want it to. (one thing at a time!)

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          • #6
            At some point, all you uptight europeans just got to realize something: YOUR TROOPS HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING, THEY WILL DO NOTHING, AND THEY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING IF THEY WANTED TO! Not in this country!

            I've said it for the last five weeks and you STILL buy into that moronic way of thinking! The United States has Afghanistan liberated, and there was no outside help at all. When Iraq falls, I'm sure Blair will have a speech prepared.

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            • #7
              Is this supposed to make me feel bad?

              Dream world is funny but you need to wake up. You are not living in a fairy land. After September 11th I thought you realized it.

              I'm not attacking you and I agree that Europe has not helped militarily. And I am happy for that for various reasons.

              Things might had been differently if you indeed NEEDED us.

              Don't be such a warmonger wiglaf! Now about the UK (which is a sui generis country in what regards its relationship with the US) I think you are a bit unfair.

              Of course when I talk to the likes of you I don't really care what America wants, is or says

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              • #8
                That's certainly a novel definition of liberated.
                "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                -Joan Robinson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by paiktis22
                  Is this supposed to make me feel bad?

                  Dream world is funny but you need to wake up. You are not living in a fairy land. After September 11th I thought you realized it.
                  Actually it would probably be for the best in the long run if us Euro's took up the real work. It takes far more effort to create something then it takes to destroy. But then again, military hardware and big explosions are far cooler than rebuilding schools and fixing plumbing, right?


                  Why wake up when you can dream...
                  Skeptics should forego any thought of convincing the unconvinced that we hold the torch of truth illuminating the darkness. A more modest, realistic, and achievable goal is to encourage the idea that one may be mistaken. Doubt is humbling and constructive; it leads to rational thought in weighing alternatives and fully reexamining options, and it opens unlimited vistas.

                  Elie A. Shneour Skeptical Inquirer

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                  • #10
                    the people sure as hell seem to like the freedom, how's that, victor?

                    Dream world is funny but you need to wake up. You are not living in a fairy land. After September 11th I thought you realized it.

                    I'm not attacking you and I agree that Europe has not helped militarily. And I am happy for that for various reasons.

                    Things might had been differently if you indeed NEEDED us.
                    Blair constantly said the attack on the US was an attack on his little country, too. Sure doesn't look like that to me. All I've gotten from him is smiles, the selfish snot.

                    Britain has taken the middle ground, they should be hit hard for it. So should Canada, Italy, and Austraila for lying about providing military aid to the world. If all those countries pitched in, the Taliban would be completely gone right now.

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                    • #11
                      Jesus I dont believe what Im reading!!!

                      Half of europe was ready to abandon us only weeks ago when the prevailing thought was that we couldnt win.

                      Then the taliban broke and ran(due to US airpower not that ragtag bunch called the NA).Soon after every other Euro nation has either been saying that [A]-we have a couple people in country or [B]-We are pledging new troops.

                      OK send your troops--The only use for them now IS peacekeeping.

                      Hell that frees up our people up to the real dirty-work.


                      Just remember the lesson you all just learned-
                      Vietnam is long over-The USA does not lose militarily.
                      not anymore.

                      Jump on the bandwagon or clear the road!
                      The American Army is on the march
                      Die-Bin Laden-die

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wiglaf
                        The United States has Afghanistan liberated, and there was no outside help at all.
                        Don't you think that the NA deserves a special mention?

                        When Iraq falls, I'm sure Blair will have a speech prepared.
                        We aren't going after Iraq. If I were a betting man, I'd say that the Philipines (sp) are next.

                        Re Roman's article: What exactly is wrong with it?
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #13
                          Actually it would probably be for the best in the long run if us Euro's took up the real work. It takes far more effort to create something then it takes to destroy. But then again, military hardware and big explosions are far cooler than rebuilding schools and fixing plumbing, right?

                          Yea using American Dollars
                          Die-Bin Laden-die

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                          • #14
                            Wiglaf, why should Canada be hit? They put themselves at great risk by accepting the planes that were redirected by the FAA. I'd say that they have proven themselves.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              How many were the american casualties? Very little close to zero.

                              How did the Taliban leave? Because your smart bombs OCCUPIED the cities?

                              Air attacks can only do so much. You need ground troops to capture cities. It was always like this.

                              So I agree that US did the planning, bombing and essentially masterminded the fall of the Taliban. No objection.

                              But I think it's funny that you think the NA did nothing.

                              And although I don't like Blair's overblown rhetorics at all I still think you are unfair wiglaf to the countries that offered some, not much, help.

                              On the other hand I'd be pissed too if Greece was offered 1 american soldier as military assistance and then Bush was saying that we are significantly helping Greece in its efforts or whatever

                              I understand your point of view too.

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