Building Russia, what communism couldnt accomplish

[Roman]

I must point out that the problem of AIDS is fast spreading across the entire Eastern Europe, not only Russia, but in Russia it seems to be spreading fastest.

[Roman]

Originally posted by faded glory
Is it consumer health or public health? Both have massive flaws...

Consumer health is all about playing with money in stock markets and getting profits.

Public health is known for its eniffiency and vulnerability to political games.

Wish there was a mi

In Slovakia it is a mix. We get the worst of both worlds. Basically insurance is compulsory, but does not pay for everything.

The worst problem is that our healthcare system is corrupt. Basically, doctors exhibit extreme favouritism to their friends and relatives and you essentially have to bribe them to treat you properly. On top of that some of the insurance companies claim they don't have money to pay their dues... Doctors frequently strike and pharmacists often strike too, naturally at great inconveniance and sometimes danger to the patients. Essentially, our healthcare system is constantly embroiled in a battle between the public, government, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and doctors, where each side aggressively promotes a different agenda and there are varying degrees of sympathy between the incumbents.

[faded glory]

PRC press statement
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Abroad:
The capitalist warmongers have been dealt a devasting blow. Chinese Air Force jets sunk 5 Jamacain ships this turn bringing to a total of 13 so far. Chinese liberation forces siezed Dunbar and destroyed the Jamacain expeditionary forces. Chinese troops are poised to head north to finish off the 'Cowdenbeath' pocket. We are unsure of how well the scots have been able to regroup there armed forces. But we are moving up reinforcements daily to deal with any possible threats.

At home:

Proud Chinese civilians rejoice at the news that the Military has thwarted all of the Jamacain super-powers to take control of the Chinese seas. Chinese Submarines, Destroyers, Battleships and Carriers continue to patrol our massive coastlines with ease... Socialist labor is proving once again, why it trumps the Capitalists in Quality and efficiency.

Finally:
We look back at the proud accomplishments since Saddam has rose to power. Chinese armed forces are the best in the world.....and China now wholly controls 2X the amount of territory then she did 25 turns ago.

Saddam,
the Ever so confident one

[faded glory]

Son of a b!tch

that last post was meant for PBEM. I have to stop doing multiple replys in multiple windows.

In Slovakia it is a mix. We get the worst of both worlds. Basically insurance is compulsory, but does not pay for everything.

The worst problem is that our healthcare system is corrupt. Basically, doctors exhibit extreme favouritism to their friends and relatives and you essentially have to bribe them to treat you properly. On top of that some of the insurance companies claim they don't have money to pay their dues... Doctors frequently strike and pharmacists often strike too, naturally at great inconveniance and sometimes danger to the patients. Essentially, our healthcare system is constantly embroiled in a battle between the public, government, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and doctors, where each side aggressively promotes a different agenda and there are varying degrees of sympathy between the incumbents

**** I feel bad for you then. This is the legacy of Communism in most EE states. I can imagine your country has to dig itself out of a hole in regards to the healthcare system

Btw......I just checked the map. Forgive for my ignorance but when did Slovakia and Chezk republic split up

[Roman]

Originally posted by faded glory
Son of a b!tch

that last post was meant for PBEM. I have to stop doing multiple replys in multiple windows.

Lol, it happens...

**** I feel bad for you then. This is the legacy of Communism in most EE states. I can imagine your country has to dig itself out of a hole in regards to the healthcare system

Yep, Communism ****** us up. The healthcare system was actually reasonably decent during the socialist times, but it concentrated too much on cure and too little on prevention. Furthermore, it was only good at dealing with infectious diseases and trailed far behind West in areas like cancer treatement, or dealing with heart disease.
Anyway the Communist healthcare system was funded in an unsustainable way. The government took all of the (state owned, naturally) companies' profits and even 95% of their recapitalisation funds to pay for the healthcare system, education, defense and whatever was left over was redistributed to industries according to either arbitary criteria, or in such a way as to support the most inefficient industries to keep up employment. The system just had to collapse.

Btw......I just checked the map. Forgive for my ignorance but when did Slovakia and Chezk republic split up

Czechoslovakia split up into Czech Republic and Slovakia on 1st January 1993. After Communism collapsed in November 1989, Czechoslovakia become a normal federation of two states - Czech and Slovak. The Slovak government, however, felt that Slovaks are being excluded from all the top positions in the Federal government and thought it would be better to become independent, or even better turn the arrangement into a confederation. The Czech government in turn thought that Slovakia's poorer economy is holding the Czech republic down and hence also decided it would be better to separate the two, but they rejected the idea of a confederation and went for downright independence. The two governments negotiated how to split federal property after the separation and decided that the split will occur on 1st January 1993. The matter was not put before the people in a referendum, because it would almost certainly have failed (see the case of Quebec in Canada for comparison).

[Kropotkin]

datakodin: Since you found my main point amusing would you care to elaborate a little? Since you must have some sort of first hand impressions, what exactly works in Russia (apart from the Mafia)?

[faded glory]

I have been to Quebec they are nothing like the rest of the canadians. There french anyway...

But Canada is basically paying Quebec to remain part of Canada on the map. Anybody whos been there can clearly see this (hell they trumpet Anglo-Canadian stupidity in there own newspapers)

I think in my lifetime there will be a Seperate Quebec nation. They are too much of a parasite on the rest of Canada in terms of money (they demand but do not give back)

Ya I kind was thinking the break-up of ChezkaSlovakia was based on possible Ethnic lines. Anyway thanks for the enlighting post.

[Roman]

Originally posted by faded glory
I have been to Quebec they are nothing like the rest of the canadians. There french anyway...

But Canada is basically paying Quebec to remain part of Canada on the map. Anybody whos been there can clearly see this (hell they trumpet Anglo-Canadian stupidity in there own newspapers)

I think in my lifetime there will be a Seperate Quebec nation. They are too much of a parasite on the rest of Canada in terms of money (they demand but do not give back)

A split in Canada is a possibility, but IMO it is unlikely. Immigration to Quebec is diluting the French population and soon they will not be numerous enough to win a referemdum on the issue. Canada can then stop paying so much for Quebec and it will still be unable to separate.

Ya I kind was thinking the break-up of ChezkaSlovakia was based on possible Ethnic lines. Anyway thanks for the enlighting post.

Well, yes the Czechs and the Slovaks are different nations, although they are reasonably similar in customs and language. The main differences come from the historical experiences that make up the collective conscieusness of a nation. Czechs were independent for much of the middle ages and then were ruled by Austria. Slovaks were subject to the Hungarian occupation for cca. 1000 years before becoming free after 1918. Actually, it was to a large extent the Czech fear of the Germans/Austrians and the Slovak fear of the Hungarians that prompted them to form a joint state of Czechoslovakia in the first place.

Anyway, I am proud to say that the split occured without any bloodshed or contemplation of such. Rather unlike some other parts of E & C Europe.

[faded glory]

Im curoius to know what living under Communism was like. work, spare time, oppurtunitys, media...

was it all as American media said it was?A living hell? Or was our side just spittin propaganda.

[Stefu]

fg, you shouldn't have let us know that China-Jamaica thing was a mispost. If you hadn't told us, we'd have thought you would have provided commentary on how propagandist media in communist countries could make even miniscule victories like beating up small nations sound like great victories, and we'd have thought you a genius.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Stefu
fg, you shouldn't have let us know that China-Jamaica thing was a mispost. If you hadn't told us, we'd have thought you would have provided commentary on how propagandist media in communist countries could make even miniscule victories like beating up small nations sound like great victories, and we'd have thought you a genius.

Actually it was 100% pure accident.I went to submit post and I went up to get a drink and cut pasted into the second window forgetting which thread reply was attached to which. As for Jamacia being a small nation...I dont know about that atleast not in Monkey Email game.

But I do use Commi style propaganda in most of my games. Also because I am currently in a Communist form of Governing (for the benefit of readers mostly and for myself when I look back)

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by faded glory


Ya I know how you feel. But the risk is too great. Sure, .3% isnt alot. But it sure sucks if your in that .3% especially when 30 million people or so will get flu shots.

Sorry, the Flu is an inconvience at worst. The Consequences of being in that .3% are morbidly painful.

Influenza kills thousands of people each year in the United States. More die from related illnesses which they contract in their flu weakened state, such as pneumonia. Forty people in the US die each year from the flu vacine.

You are a statistical fool, Faded.

I myself almost died from the flu nine years ago. I was so weakened by the flu that I had a massive asthma attack, and I had gone through all my medicine and had to drive home to get more (about 40 miles away). It was New Year's Eve, everything was closed, and BAM! I had a flat tire. It was at that point I stopped breathing. Theben took over driving (about a mile, mile and a half) to a gas station that was fortunately open, where I staggered in and collapsed.

What was I doing out? I had thought I was well, I hadn't had any flu symptoms for a week. Apparently, I was wrong.

Don't be a fool. Flu kills, and it kills many, many people. World wide it is a major killer. And then there are those years with the really nasty flus, like 1918, 1976, 1992. It's not an inconvenience.

[Roman]

Im curoius to know what living under Communism was like. work, spare time, oppurtunitys, media...

was it all as American media said it was?A living hell? Or was our side just spittin propaganda.


Hmm, I have a tendency to give a very negative answer, because my family fared rather badly under the system. My grandfather was persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, forbiden to work, etc. He was a writer, who was not trotting the party line and the family suffered as a result. For example, the Communists did not want to admit my mother into high school (eventuallly they conceded) and then to university (yet again, eventually they said "ok" but she had to study something they assigned her [ie. Russian language]). Then they did not want to admit me into primary school claiming that I will be unable to write. Hence I had to learn to write at home before going to school in order to 'prove' that I can write. The list of their abuses to us just went on and on. We were spied upon by the STB. I don't even need to talk about confiscation of our property (and we never got it back even after Communism collapsed [our new government just privatised it to some of their family members ]). Not suprisingly I am not a great fan of Communism. Luckily, I only had to suffer it for 8 years of my life and hence remember only isolated incidents and these years were comparatively liberal compared with what went on before.

For most people, though, life was not a complete hell in the 1980s. The further back you go the worse life was. Of course, the freedom of assembly/expression issue was always there and we were constantly subjected to Communist propaganda in the media especially concerning the successes of the regime in agriculture . However, material standard of living reached relatively high levels by 1980s - lines for food became rarer and many families could afford to have a (poor quality, socialist) car. This was an era of liberalisation, though, under Gorbachev's Perestroika, when some limited private enterprise was already allowed. When Communism was at its height, life had been much much worse, probably something akin to what your media described.

[Roman]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Influenza kills thousands of people each year in the United States. More die from related illnesses which they contract in their flu weakened state, such as pneumonia. Forty people in the US die each year from the flu vacine.

If the 0.3% statistic is right and it is given to 30 million people each year, that would make 9,000 death from the vaccine each year. If immunisation were made compulsory for the nearly 300 million people in the US, that would bring the numbers up to 90,000. That is not an insignificant number.

I myself almost died from the flu nine years ago. I was so weakened by the flu that I had a massive asthma attack, and I had gone through all my medicine and had to drive home to get more (about 40 miles away). It was New Year's Eve, everything was closed, and BAM! I had a flat tire. It was at that point I stopped breathing. Theben took over driving (about a mile, mile and a half) to a gas station that was fortunately open, where I staggered in and collapsed.

What was I doing out? I had thought I was well, I hadn't had any flu symptoms for a week. Apparently, I was wrong.

Don't be a fool. Flu kills, and it kills many, many people. World wide it is a major killer. And then there are those years with the really nasty flus, like 1918, 1976, 1992. It's not an inconvenience.

Flu is only an inconvenience unless one is either in a weakened state (such as soldiers after WW I), or one belongs to a vulnerable group of people. Such people should indeed be given the vaccine as their risk of dying from a flu is greater. However, there is no point giving the vaccine to healthy people with good immune systems if it is so risky.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Influenza kills thousands of people each year in the United States. More die from related illnesses which they contract in their flu weakened state, such as pneumonia. Forty people in the US die each year from the flu vacine.

You are a statistical fool, Faded.

I myself almost died from the flu nine years ago. I was so weakened by the flu that I had a massive asthma attack, and I had gone through all my medicine and had to drive home to get more (about 40 miles away). It was New Year's Eve, everything was closed, and BAM! I had a flat tire. It was at that point I stopped breathing. Theben took over driving (about a mile, mile and a half) to a gas station that was fortunately open, where I staggered in and collapsed.

What was I doing out? I had thought I was well, I hadn't had any flu symptoms for a week. Apparently, I was wrong.

Don't be a fool. Flu kills, and it kills many, many people. World wide it is a major killer. And then there are those years with the really nasty flus, like 1918, 1976, 1992. It's not an inconvenience.

No you are the fool.

You are creating an epidemic in the making. Each time you get a flu shot your body becomes immune to that strain. The strains eventually warp and get more sophisticated as each year goes by. Eventually when you do get the flu again, it will many fold worse than what it was the first time you got it. So you Che are the only fool here.... Eventually 30 years down the road...they wont be able to make a vaccine for it.


I also take issue with Anti-Bacterial soap. All your doing is creating super-bugs that have built up resistance.