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  • #76
    If the US doesn't bother ensuring some better form of government (i.e. non-NA dictatorship) for post-Taliban Afghanistan, then this campaign will have accomplished remarkably little. It will simply have been a revenge mission of questionable deterrent value.

    If the US does bother setting up a stable, sane Afghani government then they'll have killed two birds with one stone, and I'll applaud them for it. They're making such promises now, but I'm gonna wait and see what happens when the marriage of convenience between the US and the NA begins to break down.
    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
    Stadtluft Macht Frei
    Killing it is the new killing it
    Ultima Ratio Regum

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    • #77
      KH,

      We would not be in Afghanistan if it were not for the Sep11th events. We are not there becuase we want to nation build. If we can do some along the way, that's groovey. But it's not why we're there.

      It's not only a revenge mission. It's also to show any other government that sponsors this kind of terror what happens. You sponosr terrorism like this, you lose control of your country. I think the average thug can understand this logic.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Transcend
        It took 7 million dead Germans to get to Hitler and 2 millions dead Japanese to get the Japanese War-Hawks. I bet at least half of those people can be called "innocent" by today's standard. If we can get Al Qaeda and Taliban at a cost of only few thousand "innocent" lives, it's definitely worth the war.
        That's a good point.

        In 1939, "Germany" invaded Poland. In 1941, "Japan" attacked the US. In 2001, "Afghanistan" attacked the US.

        We are getting better at avoiding civilian casualties, but this wouldn't have been considered an issue a few decades ago.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by chegitz guevara
          I can't help it. Gian just make me want to bash him over the head with facts.
          Facts you don't have, fool.
          The US doesn't support terrorism that doesn't benefit itself, but now they don't even support terrorism that benefits the US.

          Oh and Communists never have facts.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Giancarlo
            Mark L, shut up, you do not represent any views besides that of the taliban.
            you can say this, but it is certainly not the truth. If you look at the situation rationally, the NA are just as bad as the taliban. They both have committed genocidal acts.
            If we are only attacking Afghanistan out of revenge, wouldn't it be logical to solve a few problems there as well. It is well within our power to set up a more free government in Afghanistan, so why don't we. It would help our international image, and might help prevent future terrorism (along the lines of "the US attacks countries out of revenge. Let's bomb them").

            Oh and Communists never have facts.
            Completely untrue insults do not add to your argument, but only detract from it.
            "Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - Elok

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            • #81
              Argue what you want about what I say... it appears things gone my way. I predicted the Northern Alliance to take over the country and allow a broad-based government to be installed, they apparently allow men to shave their beards, women to show their faces, get an education and hold office (that was a fact during their rule from 1992-1996), and allow children to fly kites and listen music is much better than the Taliban. It just some of the Commanders are brainless. If you even think that Northern Alliance (Respectively the United Front now) is as bad as the Taliban, you are dreadfully wrong.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #82
                I predict the sun will set this evening. Well, well, looks like things are going my way, eh?...

                The Northern Alliance isn't as bad as the Taliban, but in the broad scale of things, they're damn close.

                "The US doesn't support terrorism that doesn't benefit itself, but now they don't even support terrorism that benefits the US."

                So what you're saying is that the US *DID* support terrorism that benefitted itself, but now it supports no terrorism? Please give an example, sir, of an organization we have stopped supporting following September 11.
                the good reverend

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                • #83
                  The true test will come if we do allow the NA to take over without US/UN/Coalition advisement. If they don't set up a dictatorship i will be very surprised.
                  "Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - Elok

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by rev
                    The Northern Alliance isn't as bad as the Taliban, but in the broad scale of things, they're damn close.
                    So the Northern Alliance executes men for shaving their beards or listening to music or watching tv? Do they execute women for putting make-up on or showing their faces? They are not within six feet of the Taliban.

                    Rev, I am asking nicely that you remove that quote I said in your sig.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #85
                      The NA will execute people for different reasons. It will probably be better than the Taliban, but wouldn't it be better to have a nondictatorship? My point is that even if the Taliban is worse than the NA, there are still much better governments possible than the NA, and we would do well trying to set up a more democratic society in Afghanistan.
                      "Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - Elok

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                      • #86
                        No, but they execute people who happen to be related to those who had any inkling of support for the Taliban.

                        But back to my original question: "So what you're saying is that the US *DID* support terrorism that benefitted itself, but now it supports no terrorism? Please give an example, sir, of an organization we have stopped supporting following September 11."

                        "Rev, I am asking nicely that you remove that quote I said in your sig."

                        Thanks, but no thanks. I found it to be humorous. Don't say things you don't want to be quoted on in the future and this sort of thing won't happen.
                        the good reverend

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Admiral
                          The NA will execute people for different reasons. It will probably be better than the Taliban, but wouldn't it be better to have a nondictatorship? My point is that even if the Taliban is worse than the NA, there are still much better governments possible than the NA, and we would do well trying to set up a more democratic society in Afghanistan.
                          A democratic society in Afghanistan? Is that an oxymoron... even I thought about the difficulties of setting up such a government.

                          Is it even remotely possible?

                          Two people can rule Afghanistan in one piece:

                          Former King Zahir Shah
                          or Former President Rabbani

                          I am putting my bets that both can rule together, since one is representing the Northern Alliance and the former King is Pashtun. Maybe they could get together and make a stable country (which might have to be somewhat dictorial) so progress can be made in building a economic base virtually from scratch. The first government cannot be democratic since there are no institutions or structure to support it.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by rev
                            But back to my original question: "So what you're saying is that the US *DID* support terrorism that benefitted itself, but now it supports no terrorism? Please give an example, sir, of an organization we have stopped supporting following September 11."
                            I don't know if they did or not, it was just that I was joking around a bit with words. Sorry, I will add smilies next time.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #89
                              Bull. You were just caught in your own baseless rhetoric and don't want to admit it.

                              the good reverend

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by rev
                                Bull. You were just caught in your own baseless rhetoric and don't want to admit it.

                                Bull****.

                                If you are so sure about everything, prove it. Prove that I was.



                                You can't!
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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