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    New Evidence: Shroud of Turin Older Than Thought

    Turin Shroud Older Than Thought
    By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News

    Jan. 25, 2005 — The Shroud of Turin, the piece of linen long believed to have been wrapped around Jesus's body after the crucifixion, is much older than the date suggested by radiocarbon tests, according to new microchemical research.

    Published in the current issue of Thermochimica Acta, a chemistry peer- reviewed scientific journal, the study dismisses the results of the 1988 carbon-14 dating.

    Click here to continue reading. . .
    Well, well, well. This should help silence some skeptics.
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    "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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    You shudda added this part:
    "A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old," Rogers wrote.

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    • #3
      Ahum, that's quite a big window...
      I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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      • #4
        Maybe this is too obvious, but have they checked for any dry cleaner's tags?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
          Ahum, that's quite a big window...
          Indeed.

          Of course, it is perfectly possible the cloth itself was made in ancient times. That doesn't tell us when the image that appears was put on the cloth. How hard would it have been for someone to break into an old tomb, steal a burial shroud and then put an image on it? At the time the shroud appeared in Europe, there was a "relic mania" going on where merchants were selling purported pieces of the cross, shrouds, bones, etc. At one point, according to church documents, there were at least a dozen purported shrouds making the rounds on the continent, enough pieces of the "true cross" to make a cabin and enough bones of disciples to make an army of giants.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Zkribbler
            You shudda added this part:
            Exactly. That puts the shroud well within the time of Jesus's death.

            So, the shroud could be the cloth that was wrapped around the body of Christ.
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            <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
            "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
            For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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            • #7
              So, the shroud could be the cloth that was wrapped around the body of Christ.


              And Santa Clause could exist as well .
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #8
                Is there still doubt that Jesus was a historical figure? Is his existence disputed?
                What?

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                • #9


                  This thread is eternally cursed.
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                  <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                  "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                  For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                  • #10
                    People always question and doubt everything they can not touch.
                    "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                    I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Richelieu
                      Is there still doubt that Jesus was a historical figure? Is his existence disputed?
                      There is still some dispute. It's kind of like Socrates that his existance is not very well defined. Records are spotty, at best.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #12
                        And Boris, the technique needed to put such an image on the shroud was not possible until modern times.
                        "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                        I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                        Middle East!

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                        • #13
                          Do you really need a piece of cloth to affirm your faith? Shouldn't it come from something a little less... meaningless? If you believe in Jesus and God, then believe in them. If you don't then don't. Don't let these silly material things influence the supernatural. Personally, no, I don't believe in God. And this cloth has no relevance towards my belief one way or the other.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Richelieu
                            Is there still doubt that Jesus was a historical figure? Is his existence disputed?


                            To some extent, yes. Only one contemporary account mentions him, and rather briefly too.

                            Personally, I find it simpler to assume that the beloved cult leader did exist.
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                            • #15
                              Wasn't there a lot of cloth around any given year back some thousands of years ago? You know, for people to cover themselves? Just find a piece that is 2k year old and say it's his.

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