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  • #61
    Originally posted by Boris Godunov
    But couldn't they have compromised? Perhaps they could give smokers the chance to pay extra into the health plan to cover potential increased costs for the company?
    Yup, the company should give the smokers a choice.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Urban Ranger
      Yup, the company should give the smokers a choice.
      It gave tham two years to stop smoking or find employment elsewhere.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Asher
        I know I sure as hell hate knowing I'm paying tons of money to pay for the health care of morons who still smoke in Canada.
        And what about FAT people, higher rate of heart problmes... and gays, higher rates of aids.. people who drive fast on the highway, higher rates of death, why pick on just one group of people?
        Keep on Civin'
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Asher

          It gave tham two years to stop smoking or find employment elsewhere.
          What if somebody told you that you had to change your sexual preference in two years or find employment elsewhere?
          Keep on Civin'
          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Ming
            What if somebody told you that you had to change your sexual preference in two years or find employment elsewhere?
            I would sue for discrimination, because that would be illegal in Canada, period.

            If I was in a state like this one, I'd switch to a different company. I would not, ever, want to be associated with such a company.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by Asher
              They do when they pay for your well-being.


              No, they don't. My well-being is my own business. If they want to pay for healthcare of all employees, fine. Just don't manage your headcount in a way that minimizes costs.

              Firing smokers is akin to firing people with a gene that predisposes them to breast/prostate cancer. It is completely unethical.
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              • #67
                Asher...
                I guess if you think smokers are morons because of higher health costs to you... then you must think gays are morons too because of the higher health care costs to you as well
                Keep on Civin'
                RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Asher
                  It gave tham two years to stop smoking or find employment elsewhere.
                  They can also allow the smokers to pay the extra on their medical insurances.
                  (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                  (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                  (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by St Leo
                    Originally posted by Asher
                    They do when they pay for your well-being.


                    No, they don't. My well-being is my own business.
                    No it's not. If you get sick all the time, you wouldn't be doing your part.
                    (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                    (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                      They can also allow the smokers to pay the extra on their medical insurances.
                      Then they should make fat people and gays pay up too... Oh women as well because they are really expensive when they have kids... Oh, and people with high blood preasure as well...
                      Keep on Civin'
                      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Ming
                        Asher...
                        I guess if you think smokers are morons because of higher health costs to you... then you must think gays are morons too because of the higher health care costs to you as well
                        I think the gays who live high-risk lifestyles are morons, not all gays.

                        All smokers play the high-risk card intentionally as well.

                        It's a bad analogy -- it's not gays that are high risk, it's gays that lead a high-risk lifestyle (which happens are a higher rate than straights).

                        The gays I know are all uber-fit professionals, and if anything have perhaps the lowest health-care cost.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #72
                          Many smokers live long lives as well... the fact is, this is based on statistics... and gays have a higher chance of getting aids, and that's a fact... so gays are as big as morons as smokers using your logic.
                          Keep on Civin'
                          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Ming
                            Many smokers live long lives as well... the fact is, this is based on statistics... and gays have a higher chance of getting aids, and that's a fact... so gays are as big as morons as smokers using your logic.
                            No, because sexuality is not a choice like smoking it.

                            High-risk gays (which is a choice) are as big of morons as smokers are.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #74
                              I hope the company has a few good lawyers. Thas Just wrong!
                              When you find yourself arguing with an idiot, you might want to rethink who the idiot really is.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Atahualpa
                                I am a social smoker for over a year now and as it looks I am never going to start that **** for real and I never smoked for real. I don't like the taste and I don't like the smell.

                                I've got two packs at home, which I haven't touched since new year's day or so.
                                What do you mean for real? Do you stand there puffing on it without inhaling the smoke. If you inhale the smoke you are smoking for real no matter how little or how much you smoke.
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