Company fires all employees who smoke!

[Dis]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski

Ming doesnt have to defend the smokers. The man actually believes in the right of all people whetehr you be a smoker or not i have the right to smoke as yuou have the right not to. He, i beleive is also trying to say that it doesnt matter whether u smoke or your gay both are choosing a high risk life style that has consequences. Hence why he says not all gays get aids just as not all smokers get cancer.

the smokers who don't get cancer get emphysima as Johhny Carson did.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Dissident
rah is even worse.

Let's take a well known example. Jonny Carson. He died just a few days ago. Though his case is different because he's a millionaire, and paid for all his own treatments (though it is possible NBC health coverage paid for them).

He did not die young. He lived to 79 years old!. Because of his private life, it's hard to say how long he has been treated for emphasyma. It could have been years.

smoking isnt the only reason you get emphsema its called genetics smoking only increases the chances.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

how do youy explain c.o.p.d. I can give you examples not all lung diseases are caused by smoking there is abestoes you know

[Asher]

Of course there are other causes of cancer and lung diseases, but none are so f*cking obvious and easily preventable...

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Smoking is only obvious cause of the public outcry. If i must be so bold hell the only cancer my father didnt die od=f was lung and his smoking had nothing to do with the ancer he did die of, Pancreatic and liver

[Ming]

Originally posted by Dissident
give it up Ming. normally you are sensible. But defending smokers is not sensible.

Actually, I'm defending the rights of smokers... I have stated early that I agree that smoking is bad for you.

However... smoking is a legal activitiy.
And the whole point of this thread is that a company is firing people because of statistics that prove smokers are higher health risks... and my point is, so are gays, fat people... women... if this story was about a company firing gays because of higher health risks costs, they would be jumping up and down and calling the people that voted that this was ok homophobes... and ranting and raving about discrimination... but since it's about smokers... they have no problem with it.

A bunch of hypocrits if you ask me. While I think gay sex is pretty disgusting, I defend their right to live their lives... yet here, gays are enjoying their discrimination against smokers... yep.... hypocrits.

Smokers are treated worse in this society then gays... and what's even worse... it seems the gays are the biggest offenders

[Mrs. Tuberski]

If your told that drinking any amount of alcohol and that causes liver cancer would you not drink? If your told that having un protected sex causes for women cervical cancer would you stop that even if your married. or im not going to go into testicular or prostate cancer that nobody knows for sure what causes it

[Dis]

that's simply not true. Gays are treated far more harshly in our society than smokers. You don't see someone beaten to death because they smoke.

[Last Conformist]

Yes, firing gays would be homophobic. Firing smokers is "smokophobic". Thing is, I'm fine with discrimination based on the later but not on the former.

I'm discriminating in the application of discrimination.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Dissident
that's simply not true. Gays are treated far more harshly in our society than smokers. You don't see someone beaten to death because they smoke.

That depends on what your definition of beaten to death is. It has happened where a person as been emotional beaten to death cause they smoke. And even physically attacked by non smokers so i dont know where you get your info but its not right. The fact that a gay was beaten just sells newspapers and a beaten smoker doesnt

[Dis]

emotional beaten to death Sounds like something a commie lefty would say.

tell that to Mathew Sheppard.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ming
A bunch of hypocrits if you ask me. While I think gay sex is pretty disgusting, I defend their right to live their lives... yet here, gays are enjoying their discrimination against smokers... yep.... hypocrits.

I don't get why you don't get it.

Smoking --> a clear choice made by the person which, by its very nature, leads to much higher risks for very expensive treatments. Also harms people around them.
Homosexuality --> not a choice made at all by the person, which does NOT lead to higher risks for diseases requiring expensive treatment. Does not harm people around them.

They're only comparable if you have the intellectual capacity of a 7-year old, or someone who's just stubborn and didn't think very hard when they first made the comparison.

[Dis]

yeah, Ming still thinks homosexuality is a choice.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Dissident
emotional beaten to death Sounds like something a commie lefty would say.

tell that to Mathew Sheppard.

First of all I have no F*cking clue as to what a commie lefty is. and second of all I had a friend that commited suicide because everytime he turned around people bi**** that he smoked and heres the real shocker was GAY. Thats what i meant by emotional beatings

[Asher]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
That depends on what your definition of beaten to death is. It has happened where a person as been emotional beaten to death cause they smoke. And even physically attacked by non smokers so i dont know where you get your info but its not right. The fact that a gay was beaten just sells newspapers and a beaten smoker doesnt

For your own dignity, please just stop.

Please tell me she is not comparing how hard it is to live life as a smoker to living life as a gay person.

What a complete joke.

You need to get perspective.

1) Smoking is your choice
2) Smoking is stupid

It's inconsiderate and harms people around the smoker.
For this reason, they *ARE* discriminated against. You pay more taxes (stupidly), you destroy your lungs (stupidly), and you refuse to quit (stupidly).

Smoking is a choice you made, and a choice you continue to make, and God damnit -- smokers deserve to be locked in their own air-tight smoking section at a coffee shop. Don't you dare cry about discrimination and how hard you guys have it, and then even compare it to what homosexuals have to go through -- it's downright insulting.