Yeah sure, Europe wasn't going to let Concorde go down in bankruptcy.. what happened to it in the end? It went down in bankruptcy.
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More proof of the U.S. downfall. Viva la france!
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Hurting all the airlines that operate Airbus - including US airlines.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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Neddie, is that Jeb Stuart in your avatar?Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Originally posted by DanS
I don't think any US airlines have signed up to buy the A380.Blah
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Originally posted by Ned
Prove it.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by Ned
Prove it.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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That's just run of the mill stuff that wouldn't trigger the WTO's gives a ****. Hell you should see the deal MS cut for Nissan. This would be more in line of what they'd care about: http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-028.htmlI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Neddie, is that Jeb Stuart in your avatar?http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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I think there may be a difference between reimbursing moving costs and direct subsidies to develop a new model plane. With the latter, one can impose duties/penalties on the particular plane that benefitted from the subsidies.
Also, why would state taxes or lack thereof count anyway? Some states have higher property taxes than others. Is a company getting a subsidy for locating in a low tax state?
Now the Euro complaint is that Boeing gets preferences with the Pentagon and NASA -- to develop and deploy military aircraft. How this has anything to do with its commercial business is beyond me, unless it can be shown that Boeing makes excess profits from its military business.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by Ned
Now the Euro complaint is that Boeing gets preferences with the Pentagon and NASA -- to develop and deploy military aircraft. How this has anything to do with its commercial business is beyond me, unless it can be shown that Boeing makes excess profits from its military business."The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
"you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
"I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident
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Originally posted by Ned
Now the Euro complaint is that Boeing gets preferences with the Pentagon and NASA -- to develop and deploy military aircraft. How this has anything to do with its commercial business is beyond me, unless it can be shown that Boeing makes excess profits from its military business."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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Originally posted by Kontiki
Then you clearly don't understand the aircraft industry.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by PLATO
It would be hard to imagine Boeing not applying technology it developed under their military contracts to their commercial divivsion if it didn't violate national security rules. But, that being said, most military contracts are open to bid and competition; it would hard to say that this is a subsidy.
As to technology, I hardly think much of it transfers from the military to the commercial. The military is not interested in "quiet" engines, for example.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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PLATO got the gist of it. It's not receiving abnormal profits from military work that's at issue, it's the commonality of parts between military and civilian use aircraft. Just because a 777 doesn't look like a bomber or fighter aircraft doesn't mean that there isn't a considerable amount of practical knowledge gleaned from designing something from military specs - think about wiring, computer systems, hydraulics, material design and testing, just to name a few. And it's not just Boeing itself that benefits from this, but other component manufacturers as well. I did a case study on GE's aircraft engine division a few years back and there was considerable lamenting about the recent trend away from government sponsored R&D, to the point where it was a really tough decision whether to develop altogether new engines or just improve existing designs.
Which kind of leads into PLATO's other point, although he didn't say much about it - there has been a movement in recent years away from blatant government R&D subsidies towards a more open tendering process. So, yeah, today Boeing, GE et al aren't receiving the same kind of government "subsidies" that they used to, but they sure as hell took advantage of what they did get in the past, and I'm sure they still do whenever it's an option."The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
"you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
"I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident
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