12 Yr Old Beats, Rapes Toddler

[Ljube]

OK, I'll answer to your question. They usually don't commit sex crimes. That's why I seriously doubt this particular 12 years old committed the said crime if it indeed were the kind of crime as described by the media.

As to the question if he did commit this crime or not, since this is a single case I can't say. But neither can you. Not before seeing the evidence. And in all likelihood, the boy is innocent because this behaviour is more consistent with older culprits.

[Last Conformist]

@SpencerH: I take it that judge was childless ...

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
@SpencerH: I take it that judge was childless ...

I dont know for sure since it happened 25 years ago but I'd guess so given the complete naivte of the comment.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko
OK, I'll answer to your question. They usually don't commit sex crimes. That's why I seriously doubt this particular 12 years old committed the said crime if it indeed were the kind of crime as described by the media.

As to the question if he did commit this crime or not, since this is a single case I can't say. But neither can you. Not before seeing the evidence. And in all likelihood, the boy is innocent because this behaviour is more consistent with older culprits.

I suggest you look to american news more often. What makes this case more unusual than most is not the age of the culprit but the murder and the sex of the victim.

[Dis]

I think in cases like this, they should release the 12 year old's name.

that's all I have to say about this subject.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

i seem to think that everyone here has taken to crucifing the young 12 yo. why not try to help him before you kill him or lock him away forever. as i said before all behaviors are learned not just acted out it is outragous that we as a society can wash our hands of a child that has done bad with out atempting to try and help him. if you ask me holding the parents of this child respomsible and all other parents responsible for the wrong doings of thier kids might might a difference

[asleepathewheel]

12 year olds commit sex offenses all the time. Hell, technically any time two 12 year olds have sex they are commiting a crime. technically speaking.

[asleepathewheel]

I should post here that I am a juvenile attorney. My job is to defend and represent children like this (well, no murders yet, its been a slow while in Indy ). in a court of law. But despite this liberal bias, I am not unopposed to all incarceration of juveniles, some really are psychotic bastards, but I think most are just kids who get caught up in things and swept away. My job is to help those kids get back on track

[Mrs. Tuberski]

this child may not be a loss to society yet. before he is hung the details of the whole case needs to be stated. and as i said earlier where were this childs parents?

[Dis]

I doubt stories such as this are only a symptom of modern times. I believe these things have been going on for thousands of years. Probably less so today than before.

But with the media, it's easy to get news stories such as this.

check this out.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&u=/ap/20050115/ap_on_re_us/bleach_death_1&printer=1

[St Leo]

Also, as the area under the bell curve increases, the extremity of likely outliers grows outward.

Edit: The more people, the more freaks.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
The 12 year old brain may or may not be capable of having the requisite mens rea for murder. Just because you think you remember what you were when you were 12 doesn't mean you can generalize that to everyone. Clearly statements like that indicate a lack of understanding and experience with children.

If I had more time I would post links to studies of the juvenile brain that show the lack of development in areas which are thought to control impulses. I have a slew of information and articles on the topic, but unfortunately they are at my office.

That's assinine. Raping "at least twice" and beating "several times" over a week isn't an impulse control problem. You might claim that for the first push or strike, but c'mon.

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Where are people getting all this faith in deterence?

DP is the ultimate deterence. The executed will commit no more crimes. As for prison, well, at least we can limit the potential victims of future crimes during the criminal's incarceration.

[Kuciwalker]

DP is the ultimate deterence. The executed will commit no more crimes.

Non sequiter. Punishment isn't supposed to deter the one already caught, it's supposed to deter potential criminals.

[Last Conformist]

What Kuciwalker said.

@Diss: That's messed up too.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Straybow

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
The 12 year old brain may or may not be capable of having the requisite mens rea for murder. Just because you think you remember what you were when you were 12 doesn't mean you can generalize that to everyone. Clearly statements like that indicate a lack of understanding and experience with children.

If I had more time I would post links to studies of the juvenile brain that show the lack of development in areas which are thought to control impulses. I have a slew of information and articles on the topic, but unfortunately they are at my office.

That's assinine. Raping "at least twice" and beating "several times" over a week isn't an impulse control problem. You might claim that for the first push or strike, but c'mon.

I was pointing out that the juvenile brain functions differently than adult brains. I don't know whether or not that plays a role in this case. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I don't know, you don't know. The difference is that I want to find out why he did what he did (if he indeed did do it), not just lock him up for life.