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  • #61
    Originally posted by Whoha
    corruption and stupidity. We can't fix either problem.
    Yeah we can. We just have to get the corrupt stupid people out of power.
    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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    • #62
      we "just" have to get them out of power. have you considered the implications of such a statement? It means a whole lot.

      By the way, Dr. StrangeLove rocks:

      American:"You didn't build that did you?"
      Russian: "We feared a doomsday weapons gap"

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Sava
        too many humans
        I agree
        "An archaeologist is the best husband a women can have; the older she gets, the more interested he is in her." - Agatha Christie
        "Non mortem timemus, sed cogitationem mortis." - Seneca

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Kidicious


          Yeah we can. We just have to get the corrupt stupid people out of power.
          Or, in SMAC terms, select Future Society: Cybernetic
          Speaking of Erith:

          "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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          • #65
            Terrorism isn't even on the top 10 list. How many died by terrorism, globally, in the last 10 years? 10 000? Compare that with war, genocide, AIDS, malaria, earthquakes, starvation and whatever. Hey, even car accidents dwarfs terrorism.

            Still it gets so much attention. Why, really?
            So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
            Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!

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            • #66
              People are scared of things that are given a lot of attention in the media. It's sort of the same thing as suicide attempts. You wouldn't believe how many people attempt (and succeed in a lesser degree) suicide. Though not much attention is given to it. Terrorism would be soon forgotten. For me anyway. Of course there's more to it than that, but in general it's just mass hysteria for most ppl
              "An archaeologist is the best husband a women can have; the older she gets, the more interested he is in her." - Agatha Christie
              "Non mortem timemus, sed cogitationem mortis." - Seneca

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              • #67
                Read what Jesus said, understand it then follow it, then chuck the bible out.

                That should sort out most, if not all, the problems.
                be free

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Kidicious
                  Sure it's more important to remove poverty, but you can remove poverty AND inequality. It seemed to me that you favor inequality. Did I misunderstand you?
                  Yes. I favour equality over inequality, but I think it comes at too high a price. Every system I've seen that would increase equality would do so at the expense of overall growth. Thus a system that would make rich people have less wealth would not increase the wealth of poor people by as much as the rich people lost. You're sacrificing some growth overall for a higher growth among poor people. I accept that this can be worth it, but I'd concentrate far more on relieving poverty than I would making sure everyone had the same. They're similar, but not the same problem.

                  Originally posted by Azazel
                  wealth doesn't appear out of nowhere. "could afford" how exactly? win the lottery? They don't have the economic infrastructure, and don't have a societal infrastructure for indpendently creating modern amounts of wealth.
                  They get more prosperous, thus they have a better education and healthcare system, thus they get even more prosperous... etc. Growth is a perpetuating circle, growth leads to the ability to have more growth. Thus if they were to be richer, say aid built them schools, then they'd be better educated and more able to create more things, more efficient. Generally a more educated society can make more output, and more money. Thus they get ever richer. After a while (years and years) they'd be a more formidable foe, able to stand up for themselves better, as money is what gives power, it's what buys an army. That was what my comment was about.

                  The point was removing poverty - ie. them having greater wealth - means they can afford more. If they can afford a lot more, over time, then they are better able to stand up for themselves.

                  Originally posted by Kidicious
                  But that's just going to lower wages in the developed world and make the gap greater, because the rich will benefit.
                  How would making the developed world (ie rich world) poorer and the developing world (ie poor world) richer make the gap greater? Surely the poor having higher wages and the rich having lower wages is a good thing, from an equality point of view?
                  Smile
                  For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
                  But he would think of something

                  "Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - Kuciwalker

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                  • #69

                    Did you watch the CNN show about Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda? According to that show Al Qaeda mostly recruits from the lower class, and of course Palestinians can't be considered middle class. They may be educated, but they are still palestinians.


                    wait, so are you claiming that there are no well-off palestinians?

                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • #70
                      Sure there are well off palestinians and terrorists. The majority of palestinians and terrorists are not well off.
                      What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                      What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                      • #71
                        Sure there are well off palestinians and terrorists. The majority of palestinians and terrorists are not well off.


                        didn't I just bring you a link?

                        The case is slightly different with female bombers, but they're usually infertile, or "have offended family honour" and **** like that.
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #72
                          Maybe you are too close to the issue to understand.
                          Do you think that these people can see suffering of there people and not identify? Of course, they will take a stand. You erase the issues/problems then the symptoms go away. It's that simple.
                          What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                          What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                          • #73
                            Poverty and specifically youth unemployment aren't the sole cause of terrorism, but they certainly contribute to it. The problem is that in a society that's particularly poor, corrupt, and secular, people turn more readily to radical religious solutions to their problems, such as militant Islamism. Saudi financed Madrassas become substitutes for public education, Hamas charities become substitutes for welfare, etc. So while the terrorists are sometimes well off, their ideology is partially due to the poverty of their societies.
                            Last edited by Ramo; January 10, 2005, 04:40.
                            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                            -Bokonon

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                            • #74
                              The free market, the great equalizer


                              This is the stupidest thing anyone has ever said on Apolyton. I'd have to be a bloody moron to believe that crap.
                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Agathon
                                The free market, the great equalizer


                                This is the stupidest thing anyone has ever said on Apolyton. I'd have to be a bloody moron to believe that crap.
                                You think communism is the answer? Communism has sent millions to their death.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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