Originally posted by GePap
You are branding people as criminals for life- what is the point of prison then? Why not cut hands off, or tatoo letters on people?
LOTM -costs to the individual would be greater, for no marginal benefit. One is a prudent act, the other is not. Nice rhetorical trick, though.
The question is, can someone pay their dues to society, and how can they do so. We as a society have said that i you commit a crime, you do time. The assumption being your debt to society is paid off by that act. Once you are out, you are free.
LOTM -we as a society HAVE NOT said that. You WANT us to say that.
Things like Megans Law, or taking away the vote say there is NO paying your due-you are always guilty, your rights shall forever be limited. If you trully think a person deserves lifelong denial of basic rights, or a scarlet letter with them for life, then what is the point of the prison system?
LOTM - thats a very large issue, with many debatable answers. Some of which absolutely DONT involve questions of debt to society. Whatever the purpose is, I dont see why that means you shouldnt do some prudent like this.
Its hypocrasy- its medieval and barbaric.
LOTM - its done by non-Greek speakers. Check.
IF we tell people that democracy CANNOT do things that to them are abundantly rational and simple (like letting them know easily which of their neighbors is an ex-child molestor, and so whom to tell the children to be wary of) then that WILL undermine democracy.
Ours is NOT a democracy- we hold up certain rights to be so vital that not even a democratic assembly can;t take them away unless 2/3 of our representatives nationwide agree.
LOTM - This happens NOT to violate any of those.
Megans Law is the type of law built soley around fear, and not question of just or reasonable criminal policy.
You are branding people as criminals for life- what is the point of prison then? Why not cut hands off, or tatoo letters on people?
LOTM -costs to the individual would be greater, for no marginal benefit. One is a prudent act, the other is not. Nice rhetorical trick, though.
The question is, can someone pay their dues to society, and how can they do so. We as a society have said that i you commit a crime, you do time. The assumption being your debt to society is paid off by that act. Once you are out, you are free.
LOTM -we as a society HAVE NOT said that. You WANT us to say that.
Things like Megans Law, or taking away the vote say there is NO paying your due-you are always guilty, your rights shall forever be limited. If you trully think a person deserves lifelong denial of basic rights, or a scarlet letter with them for life, then what is the point of the prison system?
LOTM - thats a very large issue, with many debatable answers. Some of which absolutely DONT involve questions of debt to society. Whatever the purpose is, I dont see why that means you shouldnt do some prudent like this.
Its hypocrasy- its medieval and barbaric.
LOTM - its done by non-Greek speakers. Check.
IF we tell people that democracy CANNOT do things that to them are abundantly rational and simple (like letting them know easily which of their neighbors is an ex-child molestor, and so whom to tell the children to be wary of) then that WILL undermine democracy.
Ours is NOT a democracy- we hold up certain rights to be so vital that not even a democratic assembly can;t take them away unless 2/3 of our representatives nationwide agree.
LOTM - This happens NOT to violate any of those.
Megans Law is the type of law built soley around fear, and not question of just or reasonable criminal policy.
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