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  • #31
    Originally posted by bfg9000


    If you had children you would feel differently about this matter.

    I have a child. I wouldn't feel any more or less safe knowing there was or was not a registered sex offender within a block/mile/10 miles. I am scared witless regarding all the POSSIBLE dangers in any event.
    You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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    • #32
      LOTM: Either way, I assume they committed a felony. Why is it in the state's interest to tend toward secrecy about a conviction presumably prosecuted at considerable expense to the state?
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
        Do you also favor having lists of former drug users who were busted circulated because they may give drugs to your kids?
        Absolutely in favor of knowing who had been arrested for dealing within X number of yards of a school...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by DanS
          LOTM: Either way, I assume they committed a felony. Why is it in the state's interest to tend toward secrecy about a conviction presumably prosecuted at considerable expense to the state?
          To improve likelihood of successful reintegration into society?
          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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          • #35
            It's for the community to judge whether the felon should be integrated into the society, not the state.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #36
              Originally posted by DanS
              Why would you tend toward secrecy in this case?
              Because people misuse and abuse information, which is why we keepm medical records private.
              If you don't like reality, change it! me
              "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
              "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
              "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bfg9000


                It is not vigilantism. Parole board members are human and can make mistakes in evaluating whether a sex offender has truly reformed and is eligible for parole. BTW, how do you truly reform a sex offender short of cutting his balls off? You can load him up with medicine while he is in jail and make him seem as if he is reformed, but once he is out, he doesnt have to take his medicine. If you had children you would feel differently about this matter.
                And it is exactly people with children, who are not rational about the issue, who should not be making the decisions.

                Its not an issue of "having kids", its an issue of making sure society and individuals both are safe- again, if child molestation is deemed so horrible a crime, then harsher punishment is warranted-but be upfront about punishment, instead of tyring to make shame a weapon.
                If you don't like reality, change it! me
                "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DanS
                  It's for the community to judge whether the felon should be integrated into the society, not the state.
                  Not necessarily. The interests of the local community may conflict with those of the larger community. A local community may choose to ostracise a former drug user, on the off chance that he will "give out drugs" to minors. If he fails to integrate, he may well move elsewhere and commit more serious crimes elsewhere, and the cost for social service, lost potential tax revenues, and for renewed incarceration will all be borne by the larger community, via the state.
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • #39
                    What's wrong with using the power of shame to help enforce the laws? It's used all the time in small towns and rural areas across the nation. Arrested for DUI? You will have your name in the local paper the next day -- everybody knows it.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by GePap


                      And it is exactly people with children, who are not rational about the issue, who should not be making the decisions.

                      Its not an issue of "having kids", its an issue of making sure society and individuals both are safe- again, if child molestation is deemed so horrible a crime, then harsher punishment is warranted-but be upfront about punishment, instead of tyring to make shame a weapon.
                      Of course this continues to assume that the response to this knowledge is further punishment. I guarantee you, if QOTM found out a neighbor was an ex-child molestor, running at him with a baseball bat would be about the LAST thing she'd do. ("OMG, what if attacks POTM to get revenge?")
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #41
                        GePap, i had a friend (may he rest in peace) who did federal time for taking a bribe, as a local politician. He lost his promising political career, his career as a lawyer, and his marriage. When he got out he rebuilt his life from the ground up - he began as an unskilled construction laborer, eventually became a developer, and even reentered public life in a minor capacity. He was the president of a synagogue i belonged to and a great guy (and BTW, more dovish than I am on Israel). He did this in front of a community where EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, knew what had happened. Youd have had to do serious damage to the first amendment to preserve his privacy. Sometimes thats life.


                        Im not sure why an ex-pedophile deserves more privacy than my friend.
                        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by DanS
                          What's wrong with using the power of shame to help enforce the laws?
                          Because that is what prison was for-to have the individual pay their due to society. The combination is the problem, because once you come out of prison and also out of parole, then that's it.
                          If you don't like reality, change it! me
                          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                          "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                          • #43
                            LOTM: Further, why should he be accorded more privacy just because he moved somewhere where people didn't know him or what he did?
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #44
                              Gepap wants a society where child molestors can live next door to you without your knowledge.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #45
                                Because that is what prison was for-to have the individual pay their due to society. The combination is the problem, because once you come out of prison and also out of parole, then that's it.




                                Im not sure why an ex-pedophile deserves more privacy than my friend.


                                They don't. You don't think they get their names in the paper? Was your friend on a database dedicated to have people know he took a bribe if, say, he moved to another town?
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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