Breaking News: Bush Personally Authorized Torture

[Ted Striker]

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[Kuciwalker]

They aren't nonviolent protestors. They're just random Iraqis.

[Q Classic]

running over people with tanks.

[Ted Striker]

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[Kuciwalker]

In fact, I use this as my desktop

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Are you actually being serious?

Vaguely.

[Ted Striker]

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[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
My veteran Grandfather says the US treated the Nazi prisoners better.

Up until the Nazi surrender, yes. Once the war was over, we began treating them like ****, since we didn't have to worry about German retaliation. Still that was better than how the Germans treated our prisoners.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight
But then again, you're a dirty disgusting muslim Imram and you portray the typical muslim perfectly

You are going to be restricted until you guarantee you will not throw around this sort of slurs again.

Don't even think about making DL's.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Would you want to be put in a jail cell?

Do you want to pay taxes?

Do people attempt to extract information from you by making you pay tax?

[notyoueither]

Actually, yes. You are forced to disclose personal information (finances) to the government, or go to jail. I don't think that's what you had in mind though.

[molly bloom]

From the Parker Report (Committee of Privy Counsellors Appointed to Consider Authorized Procedures for the Interrogation of Persons Suspected of Terrorism), Cmnd 4901, March 1972, S.20(1), P.20:

Lord Chancellor Lord Gardiner:

" I do not believe that, whether in peace time for the purpose of obtaining information relating to men like the Richardson gang or the Kray gang, or in emergency terrorist conditions, or even in a war against a ruthless enemy, such procedures are morally justifiable against those suspected of having information of importance to the police or teh army, even in the light of any marginal advantages which may therefore be obtained."

and:

" The only logical limit to the degree of ill-treatment to be legalized would appear to be whatever degree of ill treatment proves to be necessary to get the information out of the subject, which would include, if necessary, extreme torture. I cannot think that Parliament should, or would, legislate. "


"No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."

Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights



" Information obtained by the technique involved is, by its nature, unreliable and consequently the confession of guilt in relation to certain offences lacks validity."

Report of consultant psychiatrist on Robert Barclay, June 21st 1977, detained for 'questioning' at Omagh police station


"Doctors shall not countenance, condone or participate in the practice of torture or other form of cruel, inhuman or degrading procedures, whatever the offence of which the victim of such procedure is supected.... in all situations incluing armed conflict in civil strife."

World Medical Association Conference in Tokyo, 1975

'The Tokyo Declaration'


" A doctor has a special duty to individuals which, in this matter, transcends national interest and security. Doctors having knowledge of any activities covered by the Declaration of Tokyo, have a positive obligation to make those activities known."

B.M.A. Code of Medical Ethics (7.11), 1979


Article 1 of the Declaration against Torture, adopted UNANIMOUSLY by the U.N. on December 9th 1975 (!) :

" 1. For the purposes of this Declaration, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted by or at the instigation of a public official on a person for such purposes as obtaining from them or a third person information or confession, punishing them for an act they have committed, or intimidating them or other persons. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incdental to, lawful sanctions to the extent consistent with the Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners.*

2. Torture constitutes an aggravated and deliberate form of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. "


* The Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners were adopted by the First United Nations Congress on the Prevention of Crime and theTreatment of Offenders, in Geneva 1955 (!) and were subsequently approved by the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Actually, yes. You are forced to disclose personal information (finances) to the government, or go to jail. I don't think that's what you had in mind though.

Yes, because that's not what I asked.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Do people attempt to extract information from you by making you pay tax?

Point?

Asking "would you want it to be done to you?" is a stupid distinction.