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    International Business Machines, whose first IBM PC in 1981 moved personal computing into corporate and consumer mainstream, has reportedly put that business up for sale; company long ago ceded lead in personal computer market to Dell and Hewlett-Packard, focusing instead on more lucrative corporate server and computer services business; sale, likely to be in $1 billion to $2 billion range, is expected to include entire range of desktop, laptop and notebook computers made by IBM; IBM's retreat from business it helped invent is seen as ultimate acknowledgement that personal computer has become staple of everyday life, product yielding very slim profits; companies making most money from PC's now are Microsoft and Intel--whose software and chips are standard for most of personal computers sold, regardless of maker; IBM is said to be in serious negotiations with Lenovo, China's largest maker of personal computers, and at least one other potential buyer for unit; photo; chart (M)


    I.B.M. Said to Put Its PC Business on the Market
    By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN and STEVE LOHR

    Published: December 3, 2004

    International Business Machines, whose first I.B.M. PC in 1981 moved personal computing out of the hobby shop and into the corporate and consumer mainstream, has put the business up for sale, people close to the negotiations said yesterday.

    While I.B.M. long ago ceded the lead in the personal computer market to Dell and Hewlett-Packard so it could focus instead on the more lucrative corporate server and computer services business, a sale would nonetheless bring the end of an era in an industry that it helped invent. The sale, likely to be in the $1 billion to $2 billion range, is expected to include the entire range of desktop, laptop and notebook computers made by I.B.M.

    The retreat from the business may be the ultimate acknowledgement that the personal computer has become a staple of everyday life, a commodity product, yielding very slim profits. The companies that make the most money from PC's these days are Microsoft and Intel - whose software and chips are the standard for most of the personal computers sold, regardless of the maker.

    According to the people close to the negotiations, I.B.M. is in serious discussions with Lenovo, China's largest maker of personal computers, and at least one other potential buyer for the unit. Lenovo was formerly known as Legend.

    A spokesman for I.B.M., Edward Barbini, said last night, "I.B.M. has a policy of not confirming or denying rumors."

    If I.B.M.'s personal computer business ends up being sold to Lenovo, it would continue the migration of high-technology manufacturing to China and Taiwan.

    In the 23 years since I.B.M. lent its prowess in mainframe computers to the production of desktop machines, it has been widely criticized for having destined the machines to commodity status by giving Microsoft and Intel the rights to those essential standards. And although Apple Computer holds less than 4 percent of the personal computing market worldwide, it has been able to command relatively high prices and richer profits because it has controlled the software and hardware that goes into its machines.

    A sale of the personal computer business would be a step away from I.B.M.'s traditional emphasis on the size of its revenue as a measure of its corporate power. The PC business represents about 12 percent of I.B.M.'s annual revenue of $92 billion.

    For nearly a decade, though, some industry analysts have urged I.B.M. to get out of that business as it made only a modest profit or lost money. For this year, analysts have expected a pretax profit of less than $100 million.

    I.B.M. executives long resisted that course, arguing that personal computers were technology products its corporate customers wanted. It held on to the business on the theory that it helped hold on to customers.

    But in the most recent quarter, I.B.M. ranked a distant third in worldwide PC sales, with 5.6 percent of the market, according to Gartner, the market research firm. Dell was the leader with 16.8 percent of the world market, and Hewlett-Packard, which has absorbed Compaq Computer, had 15 percent.

    A sale now, if it happens, would be consistent with the strategy pursued by Samuel J. Palmisano, who became I.B.M.'s chief executive early in 2002. He has sold hardware businesses where profits were slender and growth prospects were limited, like its hard disk drive business, which was sold to Hitachi.

    Instead, Mr. Palmisano has bet on expanding the company's services business, automating a full array of operations - from product design to sales-order processing - for corporate customers. I.B.M. now casts itself as a company that does not simply sell technology but serves as a consulting partner to help its customers use technology to increase the efficiency and competitiveness of their businesses. As part of that strategy, he bought PricewaterhouseCoopers Consulting for $3.5 billion, in a deal that closed in October 2002.

    "Palmisano's getting out of businesses that aren't growth opportunities and concentrating on what I.B.M. does best," said Mark Stahlman, an analyst at Carris & Company. "PC's are not where the growth is."

    To trim costs, I.B.M. has steadily retreated from the manufacture of its PC's. In January 2002, it sold its desktop PC manufacturing operations in the Untied States and Europe to Sanmina-SCI, based in San Jose, Calif. I.B.M. now confines its role in PC's to design and product development out of its offices in Raleigh, N.C., with all the I.B.M.-brand desktop or notebook computers made by contract manufacturers around the world.

    Leslie Fiering, a research vice president at Gartner, has predicted consolidation in the PC industry over the next few years.

    "Exiting the market may be the only logical choice for global vendors bleeding profits and struggling for share," she wrote in a recent research report. And she noted that Hewlett-Packard, a broad-based technology company where PC's are only part of a much larger business, might face pressures similar to I.B.M.'s.

    "The PC divisions of H. P. and I.B.M." Ms. Fiering wrote, "are vulnerable to being spun off if their drag on margins and profitability are deemed too great by their parent companies."

    In the meantime, she said, Asian vendors like Lenovo "appear well positioned to leverage their strong local-market standing and low-cost operating models into a global presence."

    Asia has increasingly become a major hub for technology manufacturing. More and more chip making is done in the contract factories, like Taiwan Semiconductor, and at new foundries in China.

    Still, in the semiconductor industry, Intel and I.B.M. still have big factories in the United States, and Advanced Micro Devices, Intel's most prominent rival in chip making, has a leading-edge plant in Germany.

    Personal computer making has followed the same path to Asia, especially in the case of notebook machines made in China and Taiwan. Lenovo has had long ties with I.B.M. It got its start in 1984 as a distributor of personal computers from I.B.M. and AST, the Taiwan PC maker.


    I hope the ThinkPad line stays alive and how it is if someone else buys it. It's the only line of laptops I'll buy.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

  • #2
    From CBS:

    IBM to sell PC business -- report
    By CBS MarketWatch
    Last Update: 1:25 AM ET Dec. 3, 2004

    SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- International Business Machines has put its personal computer business up for sale and expects to get $1 billion to $2 billion for its desktops, laptops and notebooks, according to a media report Friday.

    IBM (IBM: news, chart, profile) is in discussions with Lenovo Group Ltd (HK:992: news, chart, profile), the company formerly known as Legend that is China's largest maker of personal computers, and at least one other company, the New York Times reported in its online edition, citing unnamed people close to the talks.

    IBM, which built its first personal computer in 1981, was of the pioneering companies that brought PCs into the business and consumer mainstream worldwide. But IBM sold its PC manufacturing operations in 2002 and now contributes only product design and development to the personal computers that carry its name, the Times said.

    IBM refused to comment on the report of the impending sale, the Times said. The PC business represents about 12 percent of IBM's annual revenue of $92 billion, the Times said.

    But the unit has been losing ground for a decade and this year analysts have expected a pretax profit of less than $100 million, the Times said.

    IBM currently ranks third in the worldwide PC market, with 5.6 percent share behind Dell's 16.8 percent and Hewlett-Packard's 15 percent, according to the Times.

    A sale would be consistent with Chief Executive Samuel J. Palmisano's strategy of selling hardware businesses with slim profits and limited growth prospects, the Times said.

    Shares of IBM closed ahead of the news Thursday at $95.76, down 12 cents or 0.13 percent, but rose as high as $96.44, up 68 cents, in light after-hours trading.
    I hope this is a joke...they may sell the ThinkPad line to a Chinese PC maker? Ugh. The stomach turns.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #3
      I can already imagine you secretly buying Dell laptops in few years time
      Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

      - Paul Valery

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      • #4
        Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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        • #5
          I think I'd go Toshiba over Dell.

          I need to have a Trackpoint...touchpads aren't nearly as efficient.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #6
            I don't think it's a smart decision... but I guess they know better...
            urgh.NSFW

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            • #7
              Funny I pictured they'd have better margins than others, overpriced as they have been.

              I guess I should buy Dell stocks now.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Atahualpa
                Funny I pictured they'd have better margins than others, overpriced as they have been.
                ThinkPads have high-quality components in them, are put under a lot of testing/validation, and they have great warranty coverage.

                The reason the price is high isn't a huge profit margin, it's because they're built with quality in mind.

                Which is why they're the best damn laptops out there.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #9
                  I didn't know you were in Marketing, Asher.
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #10
                    I've used, owned, and loved ThinkPads well before I worked for IBM.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #11
                      ThinkPads had high-quality components in them, were put under a lot of testing/validation, and they had great warranty coverage.

                      The reason the price is high is huge profit margin, it's because they have to return the $2 billion investment in brand quickly.

                      Which is why they're the worst damn laptops out there.


                      Okay, we can only hope for the best. It's sad that quality manufacturers leave the scene. I guess however this shows that even quality is not enough to make profits in this field. Overall this of course is a bad development. Especially with notebooks which you can hardly assemble on your own and you always have to rely on some brand's quality...

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                      • #12
                        I guess however this shows that even quality is not enough to make profits in this field.
                        Eh? They still made $100M in profit on the division.

                        The problem is Sam Palimisano is all about growth. He thinks IBM resources are better used in higher-margin, high-growth areas. The division was still very profitable.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #13
                          Whoah whoah whoah. You got a division that makes $100M of profits and he's selling it anyways?

                          Now I could see selling it if it was making a loss. The price wouldn't change much then because of the whole idea, wow, holy sh!t, you're buying IBM, the oldest, most respected brand for PCs.

                          This Palimisano guy must be a few cards short of a deck, because it just don't seem like a good idea.

                          Asher, don't you work for IBM? Hopefully your job isn't in danger of being shipped off to China.
                          meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                          • #14
                            Hey,it depends on how much he sells it for.

                            The value in the brand will be lost forever, tho.
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mrmitchell
                              Asher, don't you work for IBM? Hopefully your job isn't in danger of being shipped off to China.
                              Nah, I'm fine.

                              IBM is still making servers and supercomputers and such, which is what I work with.

                              The stuff we work with is growing very rapidly and has huge profit margins (we're talking about Fortune 500 companies who still pay $50,000/year in a service contract for a COBOL compiler for their 1970s-era mainframe that hasn't made a call to tech support since the 80s, and places like the LLNL which spend hundreds of millions of dollars on supercomputers yearly).
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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