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    Turkey's bid to start talks to join the European Union could be complicated by a separate dispute over Croatia's membership application, senior EU diplomats are warning.

    Some EU members, including Britain and several Nordic countries, have reservations about initiating talks with Croatia because of its failure to hand over wanted war criminals.

    Austria and Germany, however, lead another group of EU members determined that talks with Croatia begin at the earliest opportunity. EU diplomats fear the two membership bids could become entangled when European leaders meet in Brussels on December 16-17 to consider them. They are concerned that Austria, which is hostile to Turkish membership, could be obstructive over Ankara unless it gets its way over its historic ally, Croatia

    “If we say no to Croatia, then there could be problems over Turkey,” said one EU ambassador. “Austria, for one, could have a problem; maybe even Germany.”

    The Croatian question arises from a report this month by Carla del Ponte, chief prosecutor at the UN's International Criminal Tribunal on the former Yugoslavia.

    She claims that Croatia has slowed down its efforts to find Ante Gotovina, a fugitive Croatian general, since the summer when the EU formally accepted the country as a candidate for membership.

    “Today neither results nor significant progress can be reported,” she said. “This is a cause of serious concern, for the non-arrest of Gotovina could influence the arrest of [alleged Serbian war criminals Radovan] Karadzic and [Ratko] Mladic.”

    Austria believes that Croatia is doing its best to find the wanted men and that the EU should not have its membership policy decided by Ms del Ponte.

    It insists it will not try to link the Croatia and Turkey membership bids. “We want to separate the two of them,” said one Austrian diplomat. Nevertheless, many believe such a link will inevitably be made in coming weeks. One EU diplomat described Austria's position as “an opportunity”, in which Vienna's hostility to Turkey could be bought off in return for a green light to Croatia.

    Both Turkey and Croatia want to start talks in 2005, although the latter is hoping to join the EU by 2009, while the Turkish negotiations will take much longer.

    The biggest question facing the Turkish bid is what conditions would be attached by EU leaders. France, where a majority of citizens oppose Turkey's membership, wants the EU to be specific that the “open-ended” nature of the talks could lead to something less than full membership. Turkey's leaders are insisting they will not accept such a status.


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  • #2
    But you know, only France and Germany decide in those cases
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    • #3
      I just hope underlaying European animosities with regards to Turkey's membership don't break over Croatia's (or any other small country's) back.

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      • #4
        Yeah, that would be pretty stupid.
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        • #5
          Austrians support us because they don't want to wait at the border when they come to Adriatic

          Germans traditionally support Croatia. France less so.

          We are getting bugged for no reason really, just so Serbs couldn't point to us and say "hey why do we have to extradite all these guys and Croatia doesn't". It's a joke with the War Crimes tribunal, they have to spread some blame to look unbiased.

          Frankly I'd like to stay out of EU, because I read what the famous political analyst Pekka wrote about how France and Germany run the show and Finland never gets the memo. If they didn't get the memo, we wouldn't either! I don't want in that, I'd rather that they keep bossing us around in the colonial position we are now

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          • #6
            I wanna be in the EU. How do I apply for membership?
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by VetLegion
              We are getting bugged for no reason really, just so Serbs couldn't point to us and say "hey why do we have to extradite all these guys and Croatia doesn't". It's a joke with the War Crimes tribunal, they have to spread some blame to look unbiased.
              Pffft, like yours side didn't committ war crimes every bit as nasty.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #8
                You are a commie, you're auto-accepted, they'll even apologize for having strayed from the Path to socialism, but only temporarily

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                  I wanna be in the EU. How do I apply for membership?
                  Send me all your money and I talk to Gerhard and Jacques about it
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                    Pffft, like yours side didn't committ war crimes every bit as nasty.
                    It did. But the tribunal doesn't find those people who commited the actual crimes, it attempts to catch the big fish and is having llittle success in finding the right guys.

                    However, its existance alone facilitated some very good stuff, so I support it overall

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BeBro


                      Send me all your money and I talk to Gerhard and Jacques about it
                      All I have is negative money. My debts are all yours. Thanks
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #12
                        EU has had enough commies. What they need is some libertarians to balance things.

                        For start, abolish personal ID cards in all EU!

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                        • #13
                          I refuse to become a libbie. That operation where they remove your heart and half your brain is just too much.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                            All I have is negative money. My debts are all yours. Thanks
                            You know, this can actually be an advantage for applicants, or at least it hasn't been an obstacle thus far.

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                            • #15
                              Of course all this means nothing since Cyprus (and Greece, by solidarity) will veto the Turkish bid because Turkey still does not recognise the Republic of Cyprus.

                              For obvious reasons anyway, even if Croatia gets into negotiations with the EU, I am certain that it will somehow be stripped of the capability of vetoing out a future candidacy of Serbia, since at least Greece, but also Bulgaria and Rumania who will be in first, will have reasons to want the Serbs in as well.

                              Also note that Greece is prepared to block EU talks with FYROM until the name dispute is solved. Yet Greece wants ALL it's neighbours eventually join, even Albania and Turkey, if this is the only way to bring stability and funding to the area. At least that's what the government says. The people in the street would tell you otherwise if asked.
                              "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
                              George Orwell

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