Iran dug tunnel for military nuclear work

[MrFun]

Just because Che understands why Iran is interested in acquiring nuclear weapons, does not mean he agrees with Iran.


Why do some people automatically equote "understanding" with "agreement?"

[Winston]

Iran doesn't "need" nukes because Israel has them. That's a phony argument. As long as they don't decide to attack Israel, what exactly do they have to fear?

[Agathon]

I don't see any problem in the Iranians having nukes. It's not like they could use them for anything other than deterrence (which is what everyone uses them for).

Especially Iran. Did you know that Iran finances and controls both directly and through proxies, all the terrorist organizations fighting Israel, except possibly the commie ones? Hezbullah, Fatah (Al-Aqsa Martyrs), Hamas, Islamic Jihad...

So. The US financed all sorts of terrorists, but didn't give them nuclear weapons.

Israel's nuclear weapons have proved a major deterrent to Iran's activities how?

Iran wants nukes for one reason, to deter other countries that have them (Israel, Pakistan, Russia). Sounds like common sense to me.

[Pekka]

that's right I agree with winston again. Israel has not threatened Iran with nukes. In fact it has assured everyone they will not nuke anyone unless they are nuked first. Israel has gone to lengths to assure that. And so far it has kept her word. Now, Iran doesn't need nukes because of Israel. UNLESS they want to have a ltitle power balance change or something else, like a barganing chip. Why would they need a barganing chip if they are going to be peaceful? Why would they parade on national TV about missiles destroying US and Israel, if they were peaceful? Peaceful my ass. They are peaceful only because they lack the power to realistically beat anyone of their enemies. If they had the ability, we would be in war already.

[MrFun]

Winston, having nuclear weapons is a good DEFENSE, as well as great for offensive capabilities.

A nuclear power is far less likely to attack another country that has nuclear weapons. So maybe Iran's logic is that if they have nuclear weapons, it woud deter Israel from attacking Iran -- or whatever other country you want to insert in place of "Israel."

[Agathon]

A nuclear power is far less likely to attack another country that has nuclear weapons. So maybe Iran's logic is that if they have nuclear weapons, it woud deter Israel from attacking Iran -- or whatever other country you want to insert in place of "Israel."

Yep. And when one of the world's superpowers invades your neighbour and puts you on notice, it is entirely rational to want nuclear weapons to defend yourself.

[Pekka]

MrFun, might be, or might not be. Do you want to flip coin on that one or make sure?

[Winston]

I thought we weren't talking about Iran's "logic", by which, granted, they might perceive Israel as having aggressive intentions - but rather whether we, as onlookers, agree with Iran's desire to acquire nukes. Whether it's their "right" so to speak.

If you look at the situation objectively, what are the scenarios where Israel's nukes could pose a threat to Iran - except in the case of an Iranian attack? As long as they don't touch Israel, they'll be safe. Which was the whole point of Israel acquiring nukes in the first place. I say it's worked pretty well...

[Pekka]

RIght, and people say that well, if Israel disarmed themselves from nukes, they would not be touched by others because they can defend themselves more than great. Well, Israel's defense is good and all that, good trained soldiers and other equipment sure, but hte fact remains it's a small place and with few alliances it could be crushed simply as that. I mean believing it's not possible is oen of the most stupid things I've ever heard. And I've heard it often! You explain me why it isn't possible, and if in fact executed not likely?

BEsides, if it was me and Israel didn't have nukes right now, I wouldn't like the idea of them having them now. I don't like ANYONE having nukes at all, period. The fact is, some countries have nukes. That's just the way it is. But if it's up to me, no one else gets nukes. I don't even want us to have nukes. Not even if it was free and it costed nothing. No way.

So I will protest anyone getting any nukes. In case of Iran, even more so. I don't see them as a friendly nation. That might be the propaganda Western media has filled my brain with, call me fool but that's just the way I feel about it. I mean they don't even try to really hide it. I'm sure tehre's lot of nice people in there and the common man might be just great guys, but I feel they can't be trusted on nation level on.. ANYTHING. Including nukes.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Winston
Iran doesn't "need" nukes because Israel has them. That's a phony argument. As long as they don't decide to attack Israel, what exactly do they have to fear?

Not really, considering Israel has attacked its neighbors more often then not.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Pekka
In fact it has assured everyone they will not nuke anyone unless they are nuked first.

LIES!!!!

Israel has never said any such thing. You want to know why? Because Israel maintains that they do not have any nukes, despite the fact the world knows better.

[Pekka]

No I'm pretty sure they have said it. I remember reading they will not retaliate to any attacks with nukes, including if they get attack with chemicals. It even wasn't that long ago.

And yes, they have said they don't officially have nukes. But I also remember reading that one, where they say they won't retaliate with nukes if they are chemically attacked, which I find odd.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Pekka
No I'm pretty sure they have said it.

Well you're wrong. If they admitted it, the U.S. would automatically slap sanctions on them. Because Israel doesn't admit it, the U.S. can officially pretend Israel doesn't have them, and is thus not obligated by law to impose sanctions.

[Pekka]

ok. I will admit I don't recollect the words exactly, so I might be wrong. Maybe they assured they wouldn't attack in any way if they were attacked. Something in those lines.

[Sava]

Israeli nukes

Iranian nukes

dummies who can't tell the difference between a tolerant democracy and an Islamic state that supports terrorism.