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  • #751
    Originally posted by Serb

    Keep your BS for Yankees or Euros. I know what's going on there. If everything is so perfect there, then how the hell can you explain Russian exodus from Baltic states.
    Russian speakers would rather live in a Russian speaking state than one where Russian has no official status, especially with Russia doing better economically and becoming more stable. Does an exodus always mean persecution? Surely you dont want to go into the details of THAT do you Serb?
    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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    • #752
      Originally posted by lord of the mark



      a former employee, IIUC, and not one of any high level of influence. As someone whos worked with state department employees, including ones in the sections that maintain equipment, store diplomats belongings while overseas, etc, I can tell you State Dept employee doesnt necessarily = decisionmaker.
      There are no former State Department employees!! And, don't you understand, she does not need to be at a high level of infulence! She will serve merely as a messanger!
      Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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      • #753
        Originally posted by The Vagabond


        Well, one of the candidates publically demolished, another candidate commiting a coup before the vote, the people blackmailed by the most powerful block of foreign states... I would say that that was a special influence indeed.

        Except there was no blackmail.
        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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        • #754
          Originally posted by The Vagabond


          Well, one of the candidates publically demolished, another candidate commiting a coup before the vote, the people blackmailed by the most powerful block of foreign states... I would say that that was a special influence indeed.
          The candidate that was publically demolished was Yushchenko. They ****ed him up with dioxin and Yanukovich attempted to get in millions of illegal ballots. Yanukovich was the one attempting a coup. Yushchenko won the election fair and square. By the way, the Russians have more of a strangle-hold on Ukraine then the west. It was mighty bold for the Ukrainean people to stand up against your dictator, Putin.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #755
            Originally posted by The Vagabond


            There are no former State Department employees!!
            BS. The Department of State isnt some nefarious secret organization. Its just a large bureaucracy, like any other US govt Department.


            Vag, you are really sounding seriously tinfoil hat here.
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • #756
              Originally posted by The Vagabond


              There are no former State Department employees!! And, don't you understand, she does not need to be at a high level of infulence! She will serve merely as a messanger!
              Just as Yanukovich serves as a servant to Moscow!
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #757
                Originally posted by Giancarlo


                That's better then being ruled directly by Moscow, by a man who has Soviet styled economic beliefs. Yanukovich represents the corruption, and represents Kuchma. Kuchma was better gone. You need to grow up and learn that your country cannot direct other countries anymore.
                Oh, please... Just keep reading "Washington Post", or whatever 'free' press you choose to read.
                Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                • #758
                  Originally posted by Giancarlo


                  That's better then being ruled directly by Moscow, by a man who has Soviet styled economic beliefs. Yanukovich represents the corruption, and represents Kuchma. Kuchma was better gone. You need to grow up and learn that your country cannot direct other countries anymore.
                  Oh, my. Fezy you are absolutely amazing ****. Do you have any idea what the **** are you talking about? Certanly not. Yushenko was the pm., and his rule was a complete ****-up he canceled dozens of very profitable (for Ukranine) deals with several countries to sign new, unprofitable deals with US. People weren't paid for their work, when he was a prime minister. His right hand - Mrs. Timoshenko wanted by interpol for corruption and shady deals.
                  On the other hand, from economic point of view, the government of Yanukovich IS THE MOST SUCCESSFULL government of Ukraine, since she get the independence in 1991.

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                  • #759
                    Originally posted by The Vagabond


                    Oh, please... Just keep reading "Washington Post", or whatever 'free' press you choose to read.
                    At least I'm not reading pravda and the words out of your dictator's mouth.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #760
                      Originally posted by Serb


                      Oh, my. Fezy you are absolutely amazing ****. Do you have any idea what the **** are you talking about? Certanly not. Yushenko was the pm., and his rule was a complete ****-up he canceled dozens of very profitable (for Ukranine) deals with several countries to sign new, unprofitable deals with US. People weren't paid for their work, when he was a prime minister. His right hand - Mrs. Timoshenko wanted by interpol for corruption and shady deals.
                      On the other hand, from economic point of view, the government of Yanukovich IS THE MOST SUCCESSFULL government of Ukraine, since she get the independence in 1991.
                      Ukraine never got real independence from Moscow. Kuchma was a servant to Moscow and everybody knew it. Economic possibility and growth was squandered to please Moscow. Yushchenko represents a new change and you have no evidence to back yourself up. You only lay these stupid accusations that he cancelled these deals.. but with whom? The Russians? Of course... the most unprofitable country in the world. Ukraine has experienced economic growth under Yushchenko in the past, but Yushchenko was for the most part undermined by Kuchma. Kuchma was the one directing the country. And you are a liar about that accusation of corruption. Kuchma and Yanukovich are the old guards of corruption in Ukraine. It is well substantiated. You try to make accusations but you have no evidence at all. Ukraine never got true independence as Yanukovich was nothing more then a lackey for Moscow.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #761
                        Originally posted by lord of the mark



                        Except there was no blackmail.
                        So turning Ukraine in a rogue state, threats to deny visas to the elite, etc. is not a blackmail??
                        Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                        • #762
                          Originally posted by Giancarlo
                          You Russians should seriously shut up and self analyze your own country before you go attacking Ukraine and other baltic countries about democracy.

                          You think Ukraine is one of the Baltic states?

                          I see you are an expert Fez. You don't need to say more.

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                          • #763
                            Originally posted by Serb



                            You think Ukraine is one of the Baltic states?

                            I see you are an expert Fez. You don't need to say more.
                            I never said it was, fool. That is why I said Ukraine and the baltic states. Maybe if you would read my posts for a change you would stop acting like a highly irrational person.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #764
                              Originally posted by lord of the mark


                              BS. The Department of State isnt some nefarious secret organization. Its just a large bureaucracy, like any other US govt Department.
                              On the surface, yes. But not under the surface!
                              Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                              • #765
                                Originally posted by The Vagabond


                                On the surface, yes. But not under the surface!
                                No it is not. It is a organization full of red tape... underneath as well... that is all it is.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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