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    Saddam Got $21 Billion from UN Oil Program -U.S. Panel

    48 minutes ago Top Stories - Reuters

    By Chris Baltimore

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime reaped over $21 billion from kickbacks and smuggling before and during the now-defunct U.N. oil-for-food program, twice as much as previous estimates, according to a U.S. Senate probe on Monday.

    The monies flowed between 1991 and 2003 through oil surcharges, kickbacks on civilian goods and smuggling directly to willing governments, Senate investigators said at a hearing.

    "How was the world so blind to this massive amount of influence-peddling?" asked Republican Sen. Norm Coleman (news, bio, voting record), head of the investigations subcommittee.

    Coleman made public more documents he said were evidence of bigger kickbacks and payments than what was previously known, including 2003 data previously not reviewed.

    The new Senate figure is about double the amount estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, which had pegged it at $10.1 billion. Charles Duelfer, the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq (news - web sites), had estimated about the same amount based on Iraqi documents, with $2 billion through the U.N. program and $8 billion in smuggling by road or sea or in direct illegal agreements with governments.

    The oil-for-food program began in December 1996 to alleviate the impact on ordinary Iraqis of sanctions, imposed when Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990. The U.N. Security Council allowed Iraq to sell oil and buy food, medicine and other goods and let Baghdad draw up its own contracts.

    This left room for abuse in the $64 billion program, administered by the United Nations (news - web sites) and monitored by a U.N. Security Council panel, including the United States, according to investigators.

    Oil smuggling alone netted Saddam's regime about $9.7 billion, with other funds flowing from switching substandard goods with top-grade ones, as well as exploiting food and medicine shipments to the Kurds in Iraq's north.

    Panel investigators also echoed the findings by Duelfer, head of the CIA (news - web sites)-led Iraq Survey Group, that Saddam's regime gave lucrative contracts to buy Iraqi oil to high-ranking officials in Russia, France and other nations.

    On the list of 270 individuals, businesses and political parties was the head of the U.N. oil-for-food program, Benon Sevan, who has vigorously denied the charges.

    Other recipients include Russian ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky and his Russian Liberal Democrat Party. The Senate panel released a document signed by Zhirinovsky in January 1999 that invited a U.S. oil company to Moscow to negotiate to buy the oil voucher. The name of the U.S. company was withheld because of pending investigations, panel staff said.

    In Russian press statements, Zhirinovsky has denied taking bribes from Saddam's regime, though he admitted meeting with the former Iraqi president during trips to Baghdad.

    Senior Iraqi officials like former Iraqi deputy prime minister Tareq Aziz were also personally involved in oil talks, Senate panel investigators said.

    In each case, Saddam's regime awarded a certificate that allowed the holder to sell the right to buy Iraqi oil at below-market prices.

    The certificate holder would charge a per-barrel commission to transfer the rights to an oil buyer. Per-barrel fees were usually less than $1 per barrel but racked up big dollar amounts because allocations upward of 1 million barrels were routine.

    The United Nations has refused to hand over documents to a U.S. congressional committee or allow Sevan to appear before a panel while its own investigation is under way, led by Paul Volcker, the former U.S. Federal Reserve (news - web sites) chairman.

    U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said in New York that Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) had telephoned Coleman and Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, "to assure them we are not being obstructionist" following an angry letter last week from the two senators.
    Yep. Uhuh. Corruption. I just love it.

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    Is the UN being blamed for ALL of Saddam's smuggling operations again?

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    • #3
      The Republicans are, yes. Most people seem to know the UN couldn't really control Saddam's smuggling.
      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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      • #4
        Well, we know the UN was responsible for at least $2Billion. Don't you think that warrants some sort of arrests?
        “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

        ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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        • #5
          The point is that UN personnel took bribes. The other point is the French took bribes. The other point is that the Russians took bribes.

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          • #6
            It certainly does... if there was evidence. Which there is a notable lack of at the moment.

            edit, xpost.

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            • #7
              Seems like a bit of political hackery to me. Got any hard evidence with names and dates?
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              • #8
                I have trouble sorting out truth from spin in all of this. Everyone has a very obvious agenda.

                Are the documents referred to in the article posted online somewhere?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Oerdin
                  The Republicans are, yes. Most people seem to know the UN couldn't really control Saddam's smuggling.
                  Or much of anything..
                  Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    Seems like a bit of political hackery to me. Got any hard evidence with names and dates?
                    Call CBS, I'm sure they could whip something up in a few days.
                    Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
                      The point is that UN personnel took bribes. The other point is the French took bribes. The other point is that the Russians took bribes.
                      SHOCKING! Great powers are supposed to bribe third world countries, NOT the other way around
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                      • #12
                        Re: Oil for Food Scandal: Cash x 2

                        Originally posted by Harry Tuttle

                        Yep. Uhuh. Corruption. I just love it.

                        You're quick to point out corruption anywhere it's at, but when people point out the lies Bush and his administration have spit out, you close your eyes.
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Re: Oil for Food Scandal: Cash x 2

                          Originally posted by MrFun
                          You're quick to point out corruption anywhere it's at, but when people point out the lies Bush and his administration have spit out, you close your eyes.
                          Yes, but they took away things from Saddam...

                          And besides, as much as everyone likes to point fingers at Bush and the Republicans, there is no denying, just as the Duelfer report and the investigation that is ongoing now, that there was corruption in the UN government and other allied governments.

                          Edit: spelling

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sprayber

                            Or much of anything..
                            True, the only things the UN seems to do well is 1) relief ad to starving people 2) Organizing and monitoring elections 3) Creating world health vacsination programs 4) teaching 3rd world farmers about modern farming techniques 5) providing the only real forum for large scale international dailogue 6) attempting to difuss major international conflicts 7) addressing population control measures and reproductive health measures 8) sound the alarm when human rights are being abused 9) add in reconstruction of war damaged areas 10) help create the "normal legal frame work" for international law.

                            But that's it. They don't do much of anything else.

                            Oh, what they also help get peace keeping missions goingand help teach new governments principles of good government. :But other then that what has the UN done lately?
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                            • #15
                              Last I heard there was corruption with U.S. basec companies at least, and possibly the government as well.

                              And, quite frankly, there are always going to be people that can be bribed in any government. That's true of the U.N., France, Britain, Iraq, the U.S., and all others. There is no evidence any of the corruption influenced the governmental policies on Iraq. In fact, by all indications sanctions in Iraq were going to remain, and we all know that what Saddam was getting, wether the original estimate was accurate or this new was, is a paltry fraction of what lifted sanctions would have gotten him.

                              Quite frankly, the Oil for Food program problems were identified before we went into Iraq, and there was no real attempt to fix the problem. The loopholes could have been closed as part of our dealings with Iraq, and then Saddam's power based would eventually have been destroyed.

                              Of course, Bush 41 should have taken out the Republican Guard army when he had a chance, and we shouldn't have let the rebelling Iraqies (whom we encouraged to rebel) get slaughtered en masse. This is a far, far greater crime than any Oil for Food program problem.

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