Rove: Bush to AGAIN Push Anti-Gay Marriage Amendment

[Patroklos]

They can marry people they love, they can't marry someone they are sexually attracted too.

I would say that is the case for most marriages after 20 years, so they are really argueing over semantics.

[chequita guevara]

People who live in polygamous relationships can have their children taken from them.

[mindseye]

Originally posted by DanS
That's easy. Roman Catholics.

Nope. Roman Catholics includes no members of other religions. Gays include members of all religions and atheists.

Next?

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Alright.....

Blacks:

Nope. "Blacks" are restricted to members of a single race. "Gays" includes all races.

Whites:

Nope. Same reason.

Asian:

Nope. Same reason.

Next?

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Drachasor
Is it that big of a deal?

Gays are a diverse group, that's all that really matters. If there are more diverse groups out there that doesn't take away anything from gays.

-Drachasor

That gays are uniquely or unusually diverse was the core of my reponse to DanS' criticisms of gay political leadership. You may have to go back a page or two to see where this started.

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Amish:

Nope. "Amish" restricted to members of a single religion. "Gays" includes members of all religions plus atheists.

Red Haired:

Nope. Includes only red-haired people. "Gays" includes people of all hair colors - even bald!

Six Towed:

Nope. No representation by five-toed people. "Gays" include people of every possible toe quantity.

Apolytoner:

Nope. "Gays" includes Apolytoners and non-Apolytoners alike.

Any other ideas? So far you haven't thought of a single group more diverse than gays.

[Lincoln]

OK. mindsey proved his point. Gays are a special group that deserve special treatment under the law. Next thread...

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Patroklos

I think he is a sadist and gets off on being the MOST discriminated.

Odd what people will compete over.

Sorry dude, but you called my passing comment "stupid". I called you on it you have failed to back-up your argument. I can understand your embarassment.

You guys have provided some examples of minorities that are very diverse, perhaps even as diverse as gays, yet these examples all support my original claim.

It's true there are other very diverse minorities, but they fall into two gategories: (1) they share a common link that influences their actions and beliefs much more than "who you fall in love with" (e.g. blacks, Roman Catholics) or (2) they share a link that does not strongly influence their actions or beliefs (e.g. women, whites, red-haired people).

In minorities of type (1), their shared attribute is strong enough to anchor an agenda or leadership. One can easily conceive of "leaders of the Asian community" or a "Roman Catholic" agenda.

Minorities of type (2) have a difficult time organizing around agendas and leaders because their commonality is too loosely connected to their beliefs and actions. Who are the leaders of "women"? What is the "white agenda"?

And that is, if you recall, the point of my original reply to DanS' observations on the poor political judgement of "gay leadership" and the existance of a "gay agenda".

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Lincoln
OK. mindsey proved his point. Gays are a special group that deserve special treatment under the law.

Nope, gays deserve EQUAL treatment.

Get it right, dude.

[Lincoln]

I'm trying. Hey, I married a buddhist so at lest I am trying to be more tolerant...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Nope. No representation by five-toed people. "Gays" include people of every possible toe quantity.

That doesn't count! The counter to that is that six-towed people can be gay or straight, while gays have no representation by straight people, and thus six towed people are more diverse (though because of one catagory missing, I'd say equal diversity)!

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Nope. No representation by five-toed people. "Gays" include people of every possible toe quantity.

That doesn't count! The counter to that is that six-towed people can be gay or straight, while gays have no representation by straight people, and thus six towed people are more diverse (though because of one catagory missing, I'd say equal diversity)!

I'll accept "equally diverse".

By the way, has the leadership of six-toed people finished their agenda yet?

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Lincoln

I'm trying. Hey, I married a buddhist so at lest I am trying to be more tolerant...

Congratulations! Did you marry him in Thailand, or Vermont? (I'm assuming he's Thai)

[Wittlich]

Great point / counter-points Mindseye!

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Theben
I find it next to impossible to believe that after 5+ years of the same argument against Cybershy wrt homosexuality, Imran finally made him change his position in 2 posts.

@ Imran

(now go work on BK)

There's an old Chinese saying that translates roughly to, "A lucky doctor gets to treat a patient when the disease has almost run its course."