Man Commits Suicide Over Election.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Wow.

That is the most opportunistic piece of faux-compassionate rhetorical crap I have read here in a long time, Drachasor.

I hear that

[BlackCat]

I'm reliefed that it seems that he didn't commit suicide because of a lost election - that would have been insane.

On the other hand - he seems to have done it because of the second worst reason - a woman. (no discrimination - women doing it because of a man has just a similar bad case - and to be PC - the same for homsexuals).

It gets even more weird when he claims that he's doing it because of the turmoil that his lovedeclaration to Karen will cause her. Guess that there also will be some turmoil for her when he in his suicide letter has told about her !

Drachasor : I feel lots of compassion with the people he left behind with his action, but don't expect me to have any compassion for him - yes, if his medical condition was that in a short time he was guaranteed to live in a hell of pain, then yes, he would have my sympathy.

[Lefty Scaevola]

They are lining up at the funny farm now

http://www.bocanews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=10127&category=Local%20News%20%20&PHPSESSID=dbedc967e0ac261e440983dcdc5d7660

[BlackCat]

Re: They are lining up at the funny farm now

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
http://www.bocanews.com/index.php?sr...0983dcdc5d7660

This is really bad !! No way, Bush has only one option and that is to say that he deeply regrets that he dared to stand up in an election and had the audacity to win it !! There are only one option left and that is to step back and let the looser take over (kerry - but i guess you know that )

Btw. isn't there a job for lawyers ? They should easily win cases against the republican party on the case of pshychic damage that democratic voters suffered when they lost.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Wow.

That is the most opportunistic piece of faux-compassionate rhetorical crap I have read here in a long time, Drachasor.

Just because you lack compassion does not mean others do not. You can take your cold-hearted, uncaring nature and shove it.

When you lack compassion for the pain and difficulties of others, when you merely insult and deride someone that just took their own life, then you are dehumanizing yourself far more than your words do them.

It is this kind of "Republican" -- and I use the term loosely here -- attitude that I cannot stand. It is an attitude that will admit no change into how a community reacts to those who need help. It is an attitude that derides the suffering because some do not want to life a finger to help. It is an attitude that tries to claim we are a mere collection of individuals and that words such as "community," "society," and "nation" imply no level of responsibility to each other.

There are many that disagree with you, but because you cannot accept that fact that some of us acknowledge that we as a society need to do more to ensure this sort of thing does not happen, you must deride us, you must ridicule us, you must denounce us. For the moment you stop doing that, the moment you open your eyes to the suffering of another in this instance, at that moment you realize how cruel and inhuman you have been, and your pyschological defense mechanisms try with all their might to keep you away from that.

In some ways I feel sorry for you and people like you more than I do the man we are talking about,

-Drachasor

[DinoDoc]

Why should I have any sympathy for people who take the way out of thier problems that inflicts the most suffering on thier friends and family possible? I took a long hard look at myself and my feelings wrt this issue when my mother attempted suicide years ago and am quite comfortable with my stance on the issue.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why should I have any sympathy for people who take the way out of thier problems that inflicts the most suffering on thier friends and family possible?

I concur. And not rarely, the infliction of such anguish is more their objective than escape.

[BlackCat]

Drachasor : I will admit that your point is valid if we assume that the person in question has a severe need of physiatric treatment, and you may be rigth - if anyone commits suicide based on a lost election, then the person are in dire need of such treatment, and then, yes, it's reasonable to feel pity with the person in question if the act is based upon mental disease.

My guess although is that posters has assumed that he was quite normal but couldn't cope with the defeat of his favorite.

Guess that i will be told if i'm wrong.

[Lefty Scaevola]

I am a bit calloused on the subject, having some legal experience in mental health committment proceedings. One of my former partners was, for over 20 years, the a judge specializing in, and the leading authority and leading author in Texas, on involuntary mental health commitment proceedings (which are based upon serious risk of harm to self or others, mostly self in practice). Spite towards persons that cared for them, and desrie to them 'to share the pain' was a rather common factor. My role of trying to lock them up to keep them alive needed cold blooded detatchment rather than empathy.

[Straybow]

Ah, a 2004 Darwin Award candidate!

Feel sorry for his family, though.

In other words, the man was still an idiot to kill himself over such a situation. Just choose one of the chicks, fool! If it's that hard too choose, flip a coin a then blame God for your regrets.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Drachasor
Ted Striker:

Sava:

People with little or no compassion:

I am quite frankly shocked at the lack of compassion many of the posters on this thread have shown. Someone kills themself and it seems like most of you can't even have an ounce of sympathy, instead decrying the person and insulting him. That's grotesque.

Wether or not he killed himself for purely political reasons is a different issue, though it certainly seems like the election might have been the last straw. This issue, no matter how it turns out or has turned out, is no reason to be so cruel; so lacking in basic decency. That kind of attitude and behavior only serve to push and exclude people, to drive them to these kinds of acts of desperation.

Some of you need to take a long, hard look at yourselves.

-Drachasor

A long, hard look?

Okay, I feel sorry for his family friends and loved ones. I feel sorry for the police, witnesses, morticians, EMT, Doctors, and anybody else that had to view his body. I feel sorry for the person that had to clean up the mess left.

I feel sorry that he didn't get help for his problem and that blowing his brains out seemed to be the best course of action.

I do not feel sorry for this selfish man, who took his own life because, apparently, a girl rejected him.

Edit: I take part of that last back, I feel sorry that this man was being used for political reasons.

ACK!

[Drachasor]

Well, I suppose it should come as no surprise many of you are so short sighted that you cannot have compassion for all the people involved in this. I never said that you cannot have compassion and sympathy for the trouble his family is going through, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have sympathy for the trouble he went through. That doesn't mean you can't wonder how we can improve society to lessen incidents like this.

Instead many of you take the easier route and insult the guy, and pretend as though there was nothing wrong with him and that he was just "stupid".

I suppose you are similarly ignorant about depression and other mental illnesses then? Or are you fellows just fools about suicide?

-Drachasor

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Drachasor : I will admit that your point is valid if we assume that the person in question has a severe need of physiatric treatment, and you may be rigth - if anyone commits suicide based on a lost election, then the person are in dire need of such treatment, and then, yes, it's reasonable to feel pity with the person in question if the act is based upon mental disease.

My guess although is that posters has assumed that he was quite normal but couldn't cope with the defeat of his favorite.

Guess that i will be told if i'm wrong.

Such a profound lack of coping ability and overreaction to events is quite indicative of some sort of mental health issue. To pretend it is otherwise is to either be ignorant of psychology or blind to reality.

-Drachasor

PS. You seem like the former, though moving away from that position.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Drachasor


Just because you lack compassion does not mean others do not. You can take your cold-hearted, uncaring nature and shove it.

When you lack compassion for the pain and difficulties of others, when you merely insult and deride someone that just took their own life, then you are dehumanizing yourself far more than your words do them.

It is this kind of "Republican" -- and I use the term loosely here -- attitude that I cannot stand. It is an attitude that will admit no change into how a community reacts to those who need help. It is an attitude that derides the suffering because some do not want to life a finger to help. It is an attitude that tries to claim we are a mere collection of individuals and that words such as "community," "society," and "nation" imply no level of responsibility to each other.

There are many that disagree with you, but because you cannot accept that fact that some of us acknowledge that we as a society need to do more to ensure this sort of thing does not happen, you must deride us, you must ridicule us, you must denounce us. For the moment you stop doing that, the moment you open your eyes to the suffering of another in this instance, at that moment you realize how cruel and inhuman you have been, and your pyschological defense mechanisms try with all their might to keep you away from that.

In some ways I feel sorry for you and people like you more than I do the man we are talking about,

-Drachasor

You disparage the opions of others in the attempt to aggrandize your own feelings of "compassion", then you yourself try to slip politics back into it. Have you ever tried to be genuine?

Even in your response, above, you can't get away from inserting politics, or being condescending towards those who disagree with you. We have a vibrant debating community here, and even when we disagree with others, we (generally) have respect for them, and I feel they (generally) have respect for us, too. From you, on the other hand, I sense nothing but disdain for people who disagree with you, arrogance, and a penchant to lecture.

You wonder why people around here have such a negative reaction to you?

It's the condescension, stupid.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
You wonder why people around here have such a negative reaction to you?

It's the condescension, stupid.

No, what I am expressing is moral outrage.

Generally I am pretty even-tempered and reasonable.

I, however, can have a low tolerance towards mean-spirited or cruel behavior, which many have demonstrated in this thread. Those "opinions" I was disparaging were of the order "he is stupid" and "he's selfish" regarding someone that killed themselves. Most people would find these quite out of line for obvious reasons. They ignore the realities of the situation, they are cruel, and they are innacurate (killing oneself can hardly be considered "selfish" behavior nor is it altruistic).

And I never "wonder why people around here have such a negative reaction" towards me because I don't think most do. You and some others might be an exception, but I don't think you are the rule.

-Drachasor