100,000 excess deaths reported in Iraq since the war started

[lord of the mark]

Dresden was an attempt to destroy munitions factories.

In Iraq the terrorists have TARGETED civilians. Repeatedly.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Dresden was an attempt to destroy munitions factories.

In Iraq the terrorists have TARGETED civilians. Repeatedly.

For all WW2 history I've read, that's the first time I hear THAT excuse. What was the excuse in Hamburg, Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Next month, Hopkins school of Public Health surveys sexual behavior in America by asking 16 year old boys how many girls theyve had sex with.

Zero

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Zero

What are you doing in front of your computer then???

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Zero

that's good kuciwalker... trust me, I wish I waited...

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Arrian
I for one am certainly willing to believe the U.S. has been intensifying the use of special forces to fight the insurgency, and furthermore that we're getting help from the Israelis, and finally that such cooperation is "hush-hush" since Israel is hated in the Arab world.

That does not add up to the U.S. preparing for mass killings in Iraq.

-Arrian

I am afraid it does. We have to look at history and objective facts here. What we know is only a fraction, we have to put that knowledge into perspective.

The CIA and Mossad AKA Nazi Intelligence controls hyper-earth through continous terror. Then it is no wonder that the paid-suit politicians are so cowardly.

The issue was always about oil. It still is. According to a known member of the Oil-Coalition, if the Coalition withdraws from Iraq, then the freedom-party will impose a regime where oil will be unimportant. This is the first time an Oil Coalition leader has said that oil was the reason- although retroactively.

The net does not act through accidence.

The spider casts its net, but the fly flyes into it, and then it is sucked dry. Is this an accident?

[Tripledoc]

The general attitude in this thread tells of severe penetration by Nazi intelligence. I.e. dumbing down through commercials, hollywood movies, internet trolls , pornographic sexualization, lack of country culture, lack of religion - except Zionism-, lack of humanism.

Furthermore an uncritical acceptance of "democracy", and "human rights", which have the advantage of always being pushed on the one below one's standards. Standards decided by oneself. I.e prison-inmates per capita, death penalties, militarisation are ignored.

Freedom supposedly equals porn, death, and the right to be an idiot.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Zero

Take this from an old stupid bastard. Don't hesitate. You're a young guy like the other, and you can score like the others. Don't wait too much, or you'll be rationalizing your virginness, saying that the attraction of flesh is something for ordianry humans, and that you're not ordinary, or something like that.

Most late virgins I knew (including myself) ended up having that stupid line of reasoning. It's very easy not to be a loser like I was: simply be aware that you are a young guy, and that you are just as able as the guy next door to score with chicks.

[Odin]

These numbers are BS, Tripledoc, quit being an idiot.

[imacowmoo 3-:-o]

Fallujah used to be a city of 300,000 people. There are about 60,000 living there left. The rest have been killed or left. Whats going on in fallujah could be considered scortched earth. Im likening it to what the Russians did too Grozny in the late 90's. Just kind of sitting outside the city and shelling/bombing suspected rebel targets in the city.

[Chemical Ollie]

[CapTVK]

Now I remember why I don´t visit OT anymore.


Has anyone actually bothered to read the article and know how statistics works!?

http://www.thelancet.com/journal/vol364/iss9445/early_online_publication

Summary

Background In March, 2003, military forces, mainly from the USA and the UK, invaded Iraq. We did a survey to compare mortality during the period of 14·6 months before the invasion with the 17·8 months after it.

Methods A cluster sample survey was undertaken throughout Iraq during September, 2004. 33 clusters of 30 households each were interviewed about household composition, births, and deaths since January, 2002. In those households reporting deaths, the date, cause, and circumstances of violent deaths were recorded. We assessed the relative risk of death associated with the 2003 invasion and occupation by comparing mortality in the 17·8 months after the invasion with the 14·6-month period preceding it.

Findings The risk of death was estimated to be 2·5-fold (95% CI 1·6-4·2) higher after the invasion when compared with the preinvasion period. Two-thirds of all violent deaths were reported in one cluster in the city of Falluja. If we exclude the Falluja data, the risk of death is 1·5-fold (1·1-2·3) higher after the invasion. We estimate that 98000 more deaths than expected (8000-194000) * happened after the invasion outside of Falluja and far more if the outlier Falluja cluster is included. The major causes of death before the invasion were myocardial infarction, cerebrovascular accidents, and other chronic disorders whereas after the invasion violence was the primary cause of death. Violent deaths were widespread, reported in 15 of 33 clusters, and were mainly attributed to coalition forces. Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children. The risk of death from violence in the period after the invasion was 58 times higher (95% CI 8·1-419) than in the period before the war.

Interpretation Making conservative assumptions, we think that about 100000 excess deaths, or more have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Violence accounted for most of the excess deaths and air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most violent deaths. We have shown that collection of public-health information is possible even during periods of extreme violence. Our results need further verification and should lead to changes to reduce non-combatant deaths from air strikes.

note: think of a bellcurve with 8000 at the left tail, about 100.000 at the 50% mark and 194000 at the right hand

P.S The Falluja cluster was excluded from the main estimates.



There´s more in the actual paper but i can´t directly quote from that. Look it up yourselves.




Read people, please READ, these articles appear in scientific papers. Which usually means there´s coherent thought and work behind it.


Goodnight....

[Tripledoc]

That's just wonderful.

So the 100.000 is the CONSERVATIVE estimate.

[Chemical Ollie]

100.000 was a conservative estimate before the war. Now the American military refuse to talk about numbers

[Tripledoc]

The French parliament is investigating France's role in Rwandan Genocide.
Why should US Congress not investigate USA's role in the Iraqi genocide?