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the good of yourself has value to even a nihilist...If you propose that the good of the one has no value, then you are a Moral Nihilist, and believe that there is nothing morally good or bad."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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It actually proposes that all moral systems are equally valid.Originally posted by Snowflake
Moral relativity does not mean there couldn't be any things that invalid, it only means that there could be more than one valid moral system.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Ok. Let me ask this. Do you believe that simply because there are multiple codes or is there some other more valid reason?Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Certainly. But there isn't an actual objective good and bad.
I'd also like to congratulate everyone in this thread in not mentioning Kant yet.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Yet there is no logical, objective reason to propose the good of the self is more important than the good of another.Originally posted by Albert Speer
the good of yourself has value to even a nihilist...
As best I am aware there are selfish, emotional reasons to do so, but no logical ones.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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logical ones? there are biological ones... survival as the first instinct."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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Hmmm that does make me think ... Although I do doubt what we have to judge the other moral systems ...Be good, and if at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure will be back in fashion soon. -- teh Spamski
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Looking at specific issues it claims that you can have multiple valid moral systems, simply depending on the way people believe. So how does the way people believe determine what is good or bad?Originally posted by Snowflake
Moral relativity does not mean there couldn't be any things that invalid, it only means that there could be more than one valid moral system.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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That's an instictive reason for someone to behave in a certain way. That's an explanation of behavior.Originally posted by Albert Speer
logical ones? there are biological ones... survival as the first instinct.
That is not a reason to encourage that sort of behavior. That is not a reason to advocate that kind of behavior as good.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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what i find odd is that drachasor is a moral absolutist
i wouldve expected Ben Kenobi to show up and argue that side."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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There is no way to derive an absolute good and bad from logic, is there? We are self-replicating squishy sacks of watered down protein. All the universal truths that apply to us merely apply to our bodies. There is no physical basis for any absolute good or bad. There is no logical way to derive absolute good or bad. There is no empirical way to derive an absolute good or bad. What's left?Originally posted by Kidicious
Ok. Let me ask this. Do you believe that simply because there are multiple codes or is there some other more valid reason?Concrete, Abstract, or Squoingy?
"I don't believe in giving scripting languages because the only additional power they give users is the power to create bugs." - Mike Breitkreutz, FiraxisComment
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sure it is. just as if one says the supreme end is happiness, one would advocate whatever it takes to ensure happines, if the supreme end to any of our actions is survival (which is our biological impetus to do whatever we do) a man should advocate anything and everything to ensure survival.That's an instictive reason for someone to behave in a certain way. That's an explanation of behavior.
That is not a reason to encourage that sort of behavior. That is not a reason to advocate that kind of behavior as good."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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I think survival of the fittest is an ethical code, similar to utilitarianism, if not the same.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Survival of the Fittest can be the label of an ethical code, but the Darwinian process of that name has nothing to do with ethics if we assume human beings have free will.Originally posted by Kidicious
I think survival of the fittest is an ethical code, similar to utilitarianism, if not the same.Concrete, Abstract, or Squoingy?
"I don't believe in giving scripting languages because the only additional power they give users is the power to create bugs." - Mike Breitkreutz, FiraxisComment
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Just because I am an atheist doesn't mean I can't have a strong, highly developed sense of right and wrong.Originally posted by Albert Speer
what i find odd is that drachasor is a moral absolutist
i wouldve expected Ben Kenobi to show up and argue that side.
Ethical Atheists:
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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