Moral Relativism: Good, bad...etc?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned
My wife came from a country where people could not own the land or the trees. Our first Christmas, she wanted to cut down a tree growing in someone's yard. You would be surprised, but it took me quite a while to explain to her why that was "wrong."

Well, did you start with telling here that everyone who doesn't believe like you was a communist?

[Kuciwalker]

And, btw, I don't believe in natural rights. I believe people should have certain rights. However, belief in natural rights isn't even a moral belief, it's just wrong it's a simple empirical claim

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Kuciwalker believes in the natual rights code. He is not a moral relativists.

His personal moral beliefs have no bearing on whether he thinks there is a moral belief which is more 'valid' or 'true' than any other.

His beliefs don't have any bearing what he thinks? Jesus Christ, just look at what you write for a moment and really think about it.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Well, did you start with telling here that everyone who doesn't believe like you was a communist?

No, I started with the statement that communism was a lie, that communist were liars, and that communists at times called themselves Liberals in order to advance their agenda by getting into power in democratic countries.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I believe people should have certain rights.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
And, btw, I don't believe in natural rights. I believe people should have certain rights. However, belief in natural rights isn't even a moral belief, it's just wrong it's a simple empirical claim

Kuci, by rights, do you mean that people can "own" things?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
His beliefs don't have any bearing what he thinks? Jesus Christ, just look at what you write for a moment and really think about it.

Just like my personal ice cream flavor preferences have no bearing on whether I can consistently claim that ice cream flavor preference is subjective.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned


No, I started with the statement that communism was a lie, that communist were liars, and that communists at times called themselves Liberals in order to advance their agenda by getting into power in democratic countries.

Oh. Ok. When did you tell her that all liberals are communists?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ned
Kuci, by rights, do you mean that people can "own" things?

Rights are things that one can demand from society.

[Imran Siddiqui]

His beliefs don't have any bearing what he thinks?

Jesus Christ... can you get off your strawman creating horse for just one post? His PERSONAL moral beliefs have no bearing on whether he believes any moral belief is more 'valid' or 'true' than any other. They are simply his PERSONAL moral beliefs and he considers them no better nor worse than anyone else's.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Just like my personal ice cream flavor preferences have no bearing on whether I can consistently claim that ice cream flavor preference is subjective.

Do you trully not percieve the difference between prefering a flavor of ice cream and believing that people have certain rights?

I don't think so. You have a bad reputation. Especially in this thread. You haven't done anything, but try to bull**** people.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Oh. Ok. When did you tell her that all liberals are communists?

I don't think that is true as I think I am a Jack Kennedy liberal but I certainly am not a communist. The problem seems to be that the term liberal has been adopted more and more by people who are not liberals but who are in fact socialists, so much so, that people now associate liberalism with socialist ideas and have no understanding what true liberalism is.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Do you trully not percieve the difference between prefering a flavor of ice cream and believing that people have certain rights?

Believing that people have rights is an empirical question, not a moral one.

I don't think so. You have a bad reputation. Especially in this thread. You haven't done anything, but try to bull**** people.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
They are simply his PERSONAL moral beliefs and he considers them no better nor worse than anyone else's.

Why does he assert them then?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Rights are things that one can demand from society.

Is safety one of those rights?