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  • #46
    Not true. Americans simply do not trust the market more than they trust the government; libertarians do.



    (I know the site is partisan, but it references a Gallup poll, which isn't partisan)

    Overall political philosophy: According to an October-November 2003 Gallup poll, 41 percent of Americans identify as conservative, 39 percent as moderate and 19 percent as liberal. A year before, the percentages were 38, 39 and 19; in 2001, 38, 40 and 19; in 2000, 37, 42 and 20.

    Taxation: A September 2003 Gallup poll asked: "Do you think the tax cuts recently signed into law by George W. Bush were -- a good idea (or) a bad idea -- at this time?" 49 percent said good; 46 percent said bad; 5 percent had no opinion.

    Health Care: A November 2003 Gallup poll asked: "Which of the following approaches for providing health care in the United States would you prefer -- replacing the current health care system with a new government-run health care system, or maintaining the current system based mostly on private health insurance?" 38 percent wanted a government-run health care system; 57 percent wanted to maintain a system of private insurance, and 5 percent had no opinion.

    Education: A January 2003 Gallup poll found that 57 percent of the public agreed with President Bush's approach toward education issues, with 30 percent disapproving and 13 percent having no opinion. Of the six Gallup polls asking this question since Bush's inauguration, Bush's education policies received 57 percent or more approval in each poll. (No Gallup polls were available on Gallup's website asking a more narrow question about education spending levels.)

    Social Security: The three Gallup polls asking about public support for President Bush's position on Social Security since Bush's inauguration found approval for Bush's policies outpolling disapproval by a range of 7 - 18 percentage points, depending upon the poll. Ten times since 2000, Gallup has asked: "A proposal has been made that would allow people to put a portion of their Social Security payroll taxes into personal retirement accounts that would be invested in private stocks and bonds. Do you favor or oppose this proposal?" Each time, public support for partial privatization vastly outweighed opposition -- at times by a 2-1 margin. In the most recent poll, conducted in October 2003, 62 percent favored partial privatization, 34 percent opposed it, and 2 percent had no opinion.

    Environment: The only 2003 Gallup poll asking about public support for Bush's policies on the environment found 53 percent approval and 37 percent disapproval, with 10 percent having no opinion. Approval for Bush's environmental policies outpolled disapproval in all published Gallup polls conducted since Bush's inauguration. Polls show that Americans of all political persuasions do support environmental protection -- but apparently tend to be more comfortable than not with the conservative Bush Administration's approach to it.

    Corporate regulation: The most recent of five Gallup polls asking "In general, do you think there is too much, too little or about the right amount of government regulation of business and industry?," found 35 percent saying there is too much regulation; 31 percent saying it is about right; 33 percent saying there is too little and 3 percent having no opinion. All five Gallup polls asking this question had similar responses.


    If we look at non-Bush questions (and trends) from this 2003 Gallup poll, we see the American public considers themselves more conservative, are AGAINST national health care, are FOR a partial privatization of Social Security, and equal numbers of Americans consider regulation too much / just right / too little.

    Sounds very fiscally right-wing to me. And I realize that Americans are socially left-wing. In the end, libertarian.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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    • #47
      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush is getting desperate in his campaign.

      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      Actually it's Dem officials like Robert Byrd that put our representatives to shame.
      Yeah, Byrd shovels Federal money into WVa. But he doesn't do it while complaining about the size and scope of the Federal government, unlike hypocritical GOP legislators. Gingrich was always my favorite for this; he whipped supporters up into a frenzy of Big Government while, at the same time, his own district received more Federal $ than any other district in the country. Though, on the plus side, the segment of TV Nation in which Michael Moore calls him on that is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
      "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
        (I know the site is partisan, but it references a Gallup poll, which isn't partisan)
        If we ignore the whinings of MoveOn and the like, which I'm more than willing to do.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #49
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          It's the National Journal (hardly a conservative rag) that makes him out to be such liberal and Kerry's campaign that acts as if the term is an awful insult.
          The national journal comes out against gays, for bush's budget busting tax cuts, for the Iraq war, and against Kerry.

          Please explain why it isn't a partisan rag?

          I'm all for tax cuts as long as they don't blow up the deficit. Bush spends like a liberal but lies about cutting government.
          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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          • #50
            You're just wrong, and whatever about American politics.

            There is an election right now, and Buchanan's point, as it seems, is that there is no conservative option. Kerry clearly isn't, while Bush is a neo-con on the international stage while being a... well, an impetuous spender on the domestic front. It's as simple as it gets.


            I see I've finally gotten through to you. Before, you equated 'imputuous spender' on the domestic stage with being a neo-con. Glad to see you've seen the light.

            It's funny though to see you say I'm wrong before saying I'm right .
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #51
              Americans aren't against big government. They love big government. They just don't want to pay for big government, so instead they are singing promissary notes with their kids names. BASTARDS!



              I need some pumpkin pie!
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              • #52
                Are you actually trying to tell me Kerry isn't a liberal?


                He's certainly not the most liberal Senator.

                Bringing up the "most liberal Senator" argument is indeed a sign of desperation. After several months of teh flip flop propagnda painting Kerry as someone without consistent positions, they realize it's ineffecitve, so they're trotting out a contradictory argument that Kerry's so consistently liberal, he's the "conservative Senator from Massachussetts." Absolutely pathetic.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                  Americans aren't against big government. They love big government. They just don't want to pay for big government, so instead they are singing promissary notes with their kids names. BASTARDS!

                  This is the sad F'ing truth. These ****ers say they hate big government but refuse to cut one damn penny.
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                  • #54
                    No offense, Imran, but your quote is irrelevant, for two reasons:

                    1) The polls asked people if they "agreed with the president." They didn't asked if people knew and understood the policies, nor did they ask if they favored those policies over others. Especially post-9/11, asking people if they "agree with teh president" is going to elicit an artificially high number of "yes" responses.

                    2) Second, asking if people favor "regulation" will always (since Reagan, anyway) elicit al artificially high number of "no" responses. But ask them about specific regulations, and people tend to be in favor of them.

                    In these polls, The People always come off like Joseph II in Amadeus complaining that a Mozart composition has "too many notes." When pressed on the question of which notes to get rid of, they're stumped. It's the same with regulation.
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                    • #55
                      Don't try to turn this into a victory. Buchanan was right and you commited a gross but ironic mistake when you assumed that the alleged 'perversion' was impossible because it was about foreign policy.

                      Buchanan's point is that there are no true conservatives anymore because neocons are campaigning on foreign issues.
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                      • #56
                        Tv Nation Was probably the lamest comedy show I've ever seen.

                        Liberals should quit their whining and start a smear campaign against the right. The higher plain in politics will only get you hurt and out of office.
                        Accidently left my signature in this post.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Ramo
                          Are you actually trying to tell me Kerry isn't a liberal?


                          He's certainly not the most liberal Senator.

                          Bringing up the "most liberal Senator" argument is indeed a sign of desperation. After several months of teh flip flop propagnda painting Kerry as someone without consistent positions, they realize it's ineffecitve, so they're trotting out a contradictory argument that Kerry's so consistently liberal, he's the "conservative Senator from Massachussetts." Absolutely pathetic.
                          Bush: Kerry is inconsistant. Damn that's not working.

                          Bush: Kerry is consistantly liberal. (I hope that willl work because I'm desperate.)
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            The national journal comes out against gays, for bush's budget busting tax cuts, for the Iraq war, and against Kerry.

                            Please explain why it isn't a partisan rag?
                            I never said it wasn't partisan. It is. However you seem to have confused it with the National Review.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #59
                              It's the National Journal (hardly a conservative rag) that makes him out to be such liberal and Kerry's campaign that acts as if the term is an awful insult.


                              The Republican talking point uses a single year (2003), during the Presidential primaries, where he both missed tons of votes from campaigning and veered a little to the left from his norm to satisfy the Democratic base, as a basis for an entire career. Totally shameless.
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                              • #60
                                Sorry but Senators are responsible for thier votes and have to defend them. The excuse "I was in a primary!" doesn't really cut the mustard.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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