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  • #151
    Originally posted by Dissident


    no way. each state has it's own culture. It makes it a joy to travel accross america to see all of them. If they are all the same, what's the point of seeing them?


    1) This is rapidly becoming completely false in any way.

    2) Various regions have their own culture, but to say that there are 50 distinct state cultures is BS.

    3) The differences are a lot more rural vs urban than state to state. States contain both big cities and rural areas.

    4) This wouldn't get rid of any different cultures.

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    • #152
      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      Just whored itself to criminal gangs.
      never

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      • #153
        Where do you live again?
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #154
          Originally posted by Ramo


          How, exactly, does the electoral college have anything to do with de-centralized governance?
          ?

          Regional rights and issues should be considered when electing an executive. This is not de-centralization of the federal gov't but rather regional representation in its formation.
          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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          • #155
            Originally posted by Kuciwalker
            Originally posted by Dissident


            no way. each state has it's own culture. It makes it a joy to travel accross america to see all of them. If they are all the same, what's the point of seeing them?


            1) This is rapidly becoming completely false in any way.

            2) Various regions have their own culture, but to say that there are 50 distinct state cultures is BS.

            3) The differences are a lot more rural vs urban than state to state. States contain both big cities and rural areas.

            4) This wouldn't get rid of any different cultures.
            Completely wrong. The South, which is arguably the most homogenious region in the country, varies greatly (and proudly I might add) from state to state. There is definiately a difference in culture among the states.
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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            • #156
              Originally posted by PLATO
              This has always been the point. Some things at the local level that are important vary from state to state.
              No, it hasn't. The original point was because the States were independent and sovereign entities, and they would no more agree to a direct democracy than we would allow population-based representation on the UNSC. China would dictate everything. The point was not for states to be, as they are (or at least should be) now, just administrative districts to take care of local isssues like schools, zoning, etc. that just can't be handled effectively on the federal level. We don't have some sacrosanct "county's rights", why should we hold "state's rights" any more sacred? They are a means to an end, that's all.

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              • #157
                especially Mississippi

                I would agree states like Deleware don't have much culture (though people from that state would probably disagree). I don't think it's that different from maryland.

                But in the west side of the country. States like Nevada are very different from Idaho, Utah, Oregon, California, and Arizona.

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                • #158
                  Originally posted by PLATO
                  Completely wrong. The South, which is arguably the most homogenious region in the country, varies greatly (and proudly I might add) from state to state. There is definiately a difference in culture among the states.
                  Maybe, but to argue that each and every state is distinct nowadays is ridiculous. Especially given that the important differences (wrt politics) are often urban vs rural things.

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                  • #159

                    ?

                    Regional rights and issues should be considered when electing an executive. This is not de-centralization of the federal gov't but rather regional representation in its formation.


                    How does the electoral college contribute to the consideration of regional issues in the election of the President, when everyone but a small portion of the country gets ignored in the campaign?
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                    -Bokonon

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                    • #160
                      Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                      why should we hold "state's rights" any more sacred?
                      We tend to be a little overprotective of the Bill of Rights.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #161
                        Originally posted by Ramo

                        ?

                        Regional rights and issues should be considered when electing an executive. This is not de-centralization of the federal gov't but rather regional representation in its formation.


                        How does the electoral college contribute to the consideration of regional issues in the election of the President, when everyone but a small portion of the country gets ignored in the campaign?
                        These areas are "ignored" because they are decided for the most part.
                        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                        • #162
                          State issues exist only in swing states?
                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                          -Bokonon

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                          • #163
                            Originally posted by Ramo
                            State issues exist only in swing states?
                            yes.

                            serves the other states right for being so narrow in their population base.

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                            • #164
                              Ignorant swing staters making crappy generalizations about red/blue staters.
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                              -Bokonon

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                              • #165
                                Originally posted by Ramo
                                State issues exist only in swing states?
                                I think you are deliberately trying to cloud the argument while understanding the point. Nice troll though.
                                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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