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  • #61
    Originally posted by Whaleboy
    Putting a strain on the health system is no threat to national security, at least no more than smoking tobacco, which considering the quantities, is more harmful per capita than weed.
    Notice how I said nothing about tobacco which I believe should be restricted. Weed is just a start.

    Health reasons are insufficient in a state that recognises that the individual is sovereign over their own body.
    Blah blah blah blah... if you cost the tax payers a dime, it becomes the tax payers concern.

    If you want to talk about gateway drugs, you have to discuss the mechanism behind it. You don't smoke weed for a certain amount of time and then wake up and say "hey I know, I'm going to do a line of coke between a strippers t!ts". Dealers and opportunists will offer and encourage... not using weed as a basis but the relationship.
    Weed encourages people to commit crimes against others because people think they can do whatever they want on drugs.

    Now, on the other hand, what will hurt society more is keeping the status quo, whereby people will smoke regardless of the law, for me its not even a consideration. I know my sources and I trust them, but if they were unscrupulous they could offer different stuff. Keeping that situation intact is irresponsible, which is why legalising it, which will destroy that system, is a good idea .
    Weed is very dangerous and must remain illegal. It will collapse the United States as we know it if made legal. I have my sources to back me up saying weed is highly dangerous and will cost the health care system billions. It will cause national security problems when crime goes up.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #62
      gian, have you ever been on weed? pretty much everyone i know just ends up sitting and munching away after getting stoned.

      it is largely a victimless crime, once you ignore the fat factor.
      B♭3

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Giancarlo
        Weed encourages people to commit crimes against others because people think they can do whatever they want on drugs.

        Alcohol is far more likely to do that than weed.

        You support banning alcohol, right?

        Weed is very dangerous and must remain illegal. It will collapse the United States as we know it if made legal. I have my sources to back me up saying weed is highly dangerous and will cost the health care system billions. It will cause national security problems when crime goes up.
        If you're trying to be funny, it's not working.

        If you're serious, that's pretty funny...
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #64
          And if people persist to smoke, law enforcement should just do their job in bringing them to justice.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Q Cubed
            gian, have you ever been on weed? pretty much everyone i know just ends up sitting and munching away after getting stoned.

            it is largely a victimless crime, once you ignore the fat factor.
            The most intense, insightful conversations also occur while high.
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Asher


              Alcohol is far more likely to do that than weed.

              You support banning alcohol, right?
              Red wine is actually beneficial in moderate amounts, weed is not. If you smoke weed regularly you are causing yourself health problems.

              Weed is not a victimless crime because it is against the law.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Asher

                The most intense, insightful conversations also occur while high.
                Hell no. The most intense, insightful conversations happen when you do something intelligent... like reading a book or reading some right-wing newspapers.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Giancarlo
                  Red wine is actually beneficial in moderate amounts, weed is not. If you smoke weed regularly you are causing yourself health problems.
                  Actually, weed has more medicinal uses than red wine.

                  Weed is legal in Canada for medicinal use for that reason -- there has been overwhelming evidence (and demand) to legalize it for that purpose.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #69
                    red wine

                    who's the victim after smoking weed, outside of the individual who's making himself fatter and higher?
                    B♭3

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Giancarlo
                      Hell no. The most intense, insightful conversations happen when you do something intelligent... like reading a book or reading some right-wing newspapers.
                      You have intense conversations while reading?
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Asher

                        Actually, weed has more medicinal uses than red wine.
                        NOPE! Weed causes cancer and from a recent report, it also causes brain damage if used regularly. Red wine is FAR MORE beneficial then that crap.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Asher

                          You have intense conversations while reading?
                          After reading.

                          Q:

                          who's the victim after smoking weed, outside of the individual who's making himself fatter and higher?
                          The tax payers.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Giancarlo
                            NOPE! Weed causes cancer and from a recent report, it also causes brain damage if used regularly. Red wine is FAR MORE beneficial then that crap.
                            Weed has not been proven to cause brain damage...

                            Excessive weed use destroys your lungs, excessive alcohol destroys your liver...
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #74
                              Erowid Cannabis Vault : Exposing Marijuana Myths
                              http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth8.shtml
                              Exposing Marijuana Myths - from the Lindesmith Center


                              CLAIM #8:

                              MARIJUANA CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE

                              Critics state that marijuana has been shown to damage brain cells and that this damage, in turn, causes memory loss, cognitive impairment, and difficulties in learning.

                              THE FACTS

                              The original basis of this claim was a report that, upon postmortem examinations, structural changes in several brain regions were found in two rhesus monkeys exposed to THC. 51 Because these changes primarily involved the hippocampus, a cortical brain region known to play an important role in learning and memory, this finding suggested possible negative consequences for human marijuana users.

                              Additional studies, employing rodents, reported similar brain changes.

                              However, to achieve these results, massive doses of THC - up to 200 times the psychoactive dose in humans - had to be given . In fact, studies employing 100 times the human dose have failed to reveal any damage. 52

                              In the most recently published study, rhesus monkeys were exposed through face-mask inhalation to the smoke equivalent of four to five joints per day for one year. When sacrificed seven months later, there was no observed alteration of hippocampal architecture, cell size, cell number, or synaptic configuration. The authors conclude:

                              "while behavioral and neuroendocrinal effects are observed during marijuana smoke exposure in the monkey, residual neuropathological and neurochemical effects of marijuana exposure were not observed seven months after the year-long marijuana smoke regimen." 53

                              Thus, 20 years after the first report of brain damage in two marijuana-exposed monkeys, the claim of damage to brain cells has been effectively disproven.

                              No postmortem examinations of the brains of human marijuana users have ever been conducted. However, numerous studies have explored marijuana effect on brain-related cognitive functions. Many employ an experimental design - in which subjects are given marijuana in a laboratory setting, and then compared to controls on a variety of measures involving attention, learning and memory.

                              In a number of studies, no significant differences were detected. 54 In fact, there is substantial research demonstrating that that marijuana intoxication does not impair the retrieval of information learned previously. 55 However, there is evidence that marijuana, particularly in high doses, may interfere with users' ability to transfer new information into longterm memory. 56

                              While there is general agreement that, while under the influence of marijuana, learning is less efficient, 57 there is no evidence that marijuana users - even longterm users - suffer permanent impairment. Indeed, numerous studies comparing chronic marijuana users with non-user controls have found no significant differences in learning, memory recall or other cognitive functions. 58
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Asher

                                Weed has not been proven to cause brain damage...

                                Excessive weed use destroys your lungs, excessive alcohol destroys your liver...
                                Weed also causes you to be impotent.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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