Russia ratifies Kyoto Protocol

[Natalinasmpf]

Cut stuff like CFC's and pollutants, not carbon dioxide. Depends...carbon dioxide has not empirically proven to be a threat, while it is been proven to be a benefit to plant growth.

Damn it, they should divert funding the Kyoto protocol would cost to research into fusion power or something.

And I dislike the United States' rebuttals: its NOT because that it will affect their stupid little nationalistic plutocratic capitalist concerns, but rather because reducing CO2 emissions could cause plant growth to slow down.

[Ned]

Good. Now, please, raise the price of gas in all Kyoto countries by double, nay triple, so that China, India and the US can have more of this dwindling critical resource.

No, seriously, now that the treaty is in force, Kyoto countries will be shooting themselves in the economic foot if they even try to comply.

[Heresson]

I didn't know I'd ever have an opportunity of typing this:

Russia

[Ned]

Originally posted by Heresson
I didn't know I'd ever have an opportunity of typing this:

Russia

Are you happy because Russia is going to cripple herself for the benefit of Poland?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

China just had a huge orgasm.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Ned


Are you happy because Russia is going to cripple herself for the benefit of Poland?

Why would it be on benefit of Poland?
Poland accepted Kyoto treaty as well,

as long as I remember

[Ned]

Originally posted by Heresson


Why would it be on benefit of Poland?
Poland accepted Kyoto treaty as well,

as long as I remember

Still, Poland can cheat because no one will notice and see Russia fall into total ruin complying with Kyoto.

[DanS]

Why are people talking about the US in this thread? The US has nothing to do with the Kyoto Protocol.

ROW can do it what it sees fit. I think the Protocol is really dumb, but that's y'all's deal, not ours.

[Sprayber]

Re: Russia ratifies Kyoto Protocol

[SIZE=1] The European Union is launching an emissions trading system next January under which European companies that emit less carbon dioxide than allowed can sell unused allotments to those who overshoot the target.

Is this really about doing something that works or is it about PR. I'm not really an expert on emission standards and I won't pretend to be, but this sounds a bit ridiculous. Will there be a time in Europe where pollution is bought and sold at the various exchanges?

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Ned


Still, Poland can cheat because no one will notice and see Russia fall into total ruin complying with Kyoto.

Why do You think nobody would notice a cheat in Poland and would in Russia? I think it's rather the other way round

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Re: Re: Russia ratifies Kyoto Protocol

Originally posted by Sprayber



Is this really about doing something that works or is it about PR. I'm not really an expert on emission standards and I won't pretend to be, but this sounds a bit ridiculous. Will there be a time in Europe where pollution is bought and sold at the various exchanges?

Actually emissions trading is one of the sole points of Kyoto that has merit.

And the potential for market for emssions credits trading is real and a good thing. More of a carrot approach than the stick.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Ned
Good. Now, please, raise the price of gas in all Kyoto countries by double, nay triple...

We already pay 4 times more than you

[Sprayber]

Re: Re: Re: Russia ratifies Kyoto Protocol

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


Actually emissions trading is one of the sole points of Kyoto that has merit.

And the potential for market for emssions credits trading is real and a good thing. More of a carrot approach than the stick.

So basically you just pay a country that doesn't pollute as much so that you can stay at the same levels

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Typically the way it works is companies establish their pollution levels and are given goals to meet in terms of pollution reduction (with ever tightening stretch goals). Those companies that do a superlative job at reducing their emissions are allowed to use their unexpended credits and place them on the open market for purchase by companies that might have problems achieving their reduction goals for what ever reason.

As the stretch goals become harder and harder to obtain over the years the supply of credits dries up and those on the demand side are faced with exorbitant market fees to continue doing business as usual.

A reward system for good industry and a market driven penalty system for the slackards.

[Lefty Scaevola]

EEEEH! FACT CHECK!
"Russia's move toward ratifying the Kyoto Protocol "

It is not ratified until the Russian parliment approves it. The duma has previosuly passed a resolution against it. It is not a done deal yet, and will likely take more large gifts from teh EU to get it through.