Why was Reagan better than Bush?

[notyoueither]

And many leftists really did (and do) hate his guts. They did the same stuff with him as they do with W. 'He's a moron. Ronnie RayGun, hurr, hurr, hurr.' However, their hatred of Reagan will live long after Bush is a foot note in a history text. Reagan was successful in helping to change the world in ways they hate. They will never forgive him.

There is a reason that Che and Aggie say they hope Bush wins again. They think their cause will be helped by it. They never would have said the same thing about Reagan.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Do you see a difference in results between he and Bush so far?

Yeah, Bush has accomplished far more in his first four years than Reagan did. Makes me wonder how his presidency will be viewed 20 years from now.

That is a good question. I really hope he can pull it out. I just don't have the same faith I had when the Gipper was running things.

Incidently, Reagan won a landslide reelection because things had been accomplished during his first 4 years, IIRC.

[chequita guevara]

Oh, I dunno. I kinda missed the old dork as soon as Bush I was pres. There was a just a kind of depressing atmosphere that Ronnie brought about. Sure, he talked a good game, and many were easily fooled, but this was a period of massive deindustrialization in the U.S., and there was this kind of feeling that we had seen our best days as a superpower. I kinda miss that. It made it so much easier to be a punk.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Incidently, Reagan won a landslide reelection because things had been accomplished during his first 4 years, IIRC.

Actually it was cuz Mondale said he'd raise taxes in the midst of a recession. Ronnie didn't say it. He just did it.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Do you see a difference in results between he and Bush so far?

Yeah, Bush has accomplished far more in his first four years than Reagan did. Makes me wonder how his presidency will be viewed 20 years from now.

LIKE WHAT?????


1) Passed a fiscally irresponsible tax cut based on a phony ten year surplus, includes tax cuts for the rich

2) Squandered the biggest outreach of foreign sympathy since World War 2

3) Mismanaged the war on terror (it seems to be a moderate success IN SPITE of his poor efforts)

4) Presided over an administration that formally endorses torture

5) Told the whole world to **** off and invaded Iraq without actually having a plan to run it

6) Failed to show economic leadership, meanwhile the wage gap between CEOs and their workers continues to grow

7) Gave the country a sense of despair

Great accomplishments

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Oh, I dunno. I kinda missed the old dork as soon as Bush I was pres. There was a just a kind of depressing atmosphere that Ronnie brought about. Sure, he talked a good game, and many were easily fooled, but this was a period of massive deindustrialization in the U.S., and there was this kind of feeling that we had seen our best days as a superpower. I kinda miss that. It made it so much easier to be a punk.

You must have been smoking.

Everybody else was busy feeling good.


Bush 1 though brought about a sense of depression.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Actually it was cuz Mondale said he'd raise taxes in the midst of a recession. Ronnie didn't say it. He just did it.

Hmmm. I'm thinking back to that commercial. 'Morning in America' IIRC. I think it was more than just the Democrat beaking off on taxes. But that's just my recollection perched a few hundred miles north of the border.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
You must have been smoking.

I was.

Everybody else was busy feeling good.

Not everybody, whipper-snapper. Couldn't get a decent job fer ****. I actually had to try and join the military.

Bush 1 though brought about a sense of depression.

True dat. I always felt sorry for the man, though.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
But that's just my recollection perched a few hundred miles north of the border.

Well, that's what everyone always says anyway. Personally I think it was cuz Mondale was made of plastic. Whoever his make up people were, they shoulda been shot.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Ted Striker
You must have been smoking.

I was.

I don't think I've ever seen that response before.

Pretty good Commie.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


LIKE WHAT?????


1) Passed a fiscally irresponsible tax cut based on a phony ten year surplus, includes tax cuts for the rich

2) Squandered the biggest outreach of foreign sympathy since World War 2

3) Mismanaged the war on terror (it seems to be a moderate success IN SPITE of his poor efforts)

4) Presided over an administration that formally endorses torture

5) Told the whole world to **** off and invaded Iraq without actually having a plan to run it

6) Failed to show economic leadership, meanwhile the wage gap between CEOs and their workers continues to grow

7) Gave the country a sense of despair

Great accomplishments

As opposed to Reagan who...

1) Passed a large tax cut, which was "fiscally irresponsible" if Bush's was...

2) Angered our allies in Europe over his belligerent attitude towards the Soviets

3) Mismanaged the fight against terrorists, allowing our Marines to be killed en masse in Beirut. Would also have been seen as mismanaging the Cold War by many after his first term in office.

4) Presided over an administration that formally supported numerous regimes that used torture.

5) Never even consulted the rest of the world in his numerous interventions overseas.

6) Failed to show economic leadership with Reaganomics, allowing the wage gap between CEOs and their workers to continue to grow.

7) Caused certain parts of the country to despair, just like Bush

At least Bush has a couple impressive military victories under his belt...

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


As opposed to Reagan who...

1) Passed a large tax cut, which was "fiscally irresponsible" if Bush's was...

Reagan cut spending by $40 billion at the same time as his tax cut. That's responsible. To have a tax cut, you have to spend less.

On the other hand, Bush has spent MORE money, AND had a tax cut, AND they are based on poor, irresponsible projections.

And, by the way, the economy rebounded due to the tax cut, and furthermore, out of control inflation was kept in check, something Bush has had the luxury of not having to deal with.

2) Angered our allies in Europe over his belligerent attitude towards the Soviets

Examples? Meanwhile the entire iron curtain fell.

3) Mismanaged the fight against terrorists, allowing our Marines to be killed en masse in Beirut. Would also have been seen as mismanaging the Cold War by many after his first term in office.

Not his fault that terrorists bombed the barracks. Meanwhile he smartly removed our forces, preventing them from becoming bigger targets.

4) Presided over an administration that formally supported numerous regimes that used torture.

Except with Bush, WE are the ones KNOWINGLY doing the torturing.

5) Never even consulted the rest of the world in his numerous interventions overseas.

Interventions being the key word. How many full scale wars, not including the Cold War, was the USA directly involved with?

6) Failed to show economic leadership with Reaganomics, allowing the wage gap between CEOs and their workers to continue to grow.

While the economy continued to grow at a brisk pace.

7) Caused certain parts of the country to despair, just like Bush

Eased the transition from a manufacturing base to a service base, and getting Detroit to wake the hell up and get their act together.

At least Bush has a couple impressive military victories under his belt...

That's not necessarily a good thing.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Ronnie turned me from a Republican to a communist.

Che, I don't doubt it. However, I think you would have been very happy being a Nixon Republican.

[Drake Tungsten]

Like I said, Ted, you're viewing it all through hindsight. Try putting yourself into 1984 and see how great Reagan's presidency looks.

[chequita guevara]

I was a Rockerfeller Republican. So I was already leaning liberal. Ronnie just made me realize that I was in the wrong party. And as he committed heinous crimes in Latin America, he made me realize the American system was thoroughly corrupted, and we needed to start over again from scrtach. That' and his Christian allies scared the Jesus outta me. I didn't like them telling me how to worship the Lord, or when.