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  • #226
    Value judgements are not moral judgements.
    Wrong. They are correlative statements pitted against a certain conception of what is good, wishable, etc.

    The fact that I enjoy some result more than some other result is not an indication of some belief in absolute morality, but rather simple individual preference. Just like you can think vanilla ice cream tastes better while not believing that vanilla ice cream is objectively "better".
    Then there is no point in discussing personal tastes.

    I've never seen relativism used as an escape route.
    Imran comes to mind, but many people who fancy themselves as relativists do it.

    Oh, and Hume is not a relativist!!!
    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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    • #227
      Then there is no point in discussing personal tastes.
      As far as I'm concerned, philosophy is a personal taste. And I agree.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #228
        Aristotle:

        P1: Either we should do philosophy, or we shouldn't.
        P2: If we should do philosophy, we should do philosophy.
        P3: If we shouldn't do philosophy, then we should do philosophy (in order to justify not doing it).

        C: Therefore, we should do philosophy.
        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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        • #229
          Show me philosophy that is rigorous like math. Otherwise, concede the point.
          Principia Mathematica by Russell and Whitehead.

          Wittgenstein's Tractatus.

          Oh and is anyone else @ Asher's attempts to argue against philosophy by dogmatically asserting his own answers to philosophical questions?
          Only feebs vote.

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          • #230
            My beef isn't with philosophy, but taxpayers money going to teaching it to people who major in it, only to work at McDonalds or construction jobs.
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #231
              My beef, and even my pork and my chicken, is with people being hired by a company who made a fortune in Third Reich business.
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • #232
                Originally posted by Oncle Boris
                My beef, and even my pork and my chicken, is with people being hired by a company who made a fortune in Third Reich business.
                Keep it up and I'll put you on "the list".
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #233
                  My beef isn't with philosophy, but taxpayers money going to teaching it to people who major in it, only to work at McDonalds or construction jobs.
                  Or philosophy jobs? Or being the Prime Minister of Canada, or the former head of Ferrari and now head of Fiat? Or the head of the Bank of Montréal?

                  We're everywhere, and we're usually telling folk like you what to do.
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #234
                    We're everywhere, and we're usually telling folk like you what to do.
                    Name one successful technology company with a CEO that has a Philosophy degree.

                    I rest my case...
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #235
                      Dude, I'd rather own Fiat than be a CEO of a 'successful technology company'... well except if that company is Microsoft .
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #236
                        Carly Fiorina - mediaeval history and philosophy at Stanford.

                        That's one I know of right off the bat.


                        Here's a list of some famous people who have a degree in philosophy.


                        Pacemakers and Change Agents

                        Kristin M. Baker, first female brigade commnder West Point
                        Bob Moses, Civil Rights Activist
                        Carol Heckman, First woman U.S. Magistrate in the Western District
                        Stokley Carmichael/Kwame Ture, Civil Rights activist
                        Michael Murphy, Co-founder, Eslen Institute

                        Perfomers

                        Juan Williams -- NPR host "Talk of the Nation," wrier, journalist (Washington Post)
                        Bruce Lee, martial arts & actor
                        Gene Siskel, Movie Critic
                        Jeff Smith, Host, the Frugal Gourmet
                        Steve Thomas--Host, This Old House
                        Alex Trebek--Host Jeoprady
                        Stone Philips, Broadcaster

                        BUSINESS

                        Lachan Murdock, Media mangnate & executive
                        George Soros--Financier & Money Manager
                        Christy Haubegger, Publisher Latina and Entrepreneur
                        Carly Fiorina, CEO, Hewlett-Packard
                        Moses Znaimer--Owner of CITY-TV and MUCH-MUSIC, Toronto

                        SOCIAL STUDIES
                        Gertrude Himmelfarb--Historian
                        Michael Spense - Economist, Nobel Prize (2001)
                        C. Vann Woodward--Historian

                        GOVERNMENT AND POLITICS

                        William Bennett--Secretary of Education and Head of the Drug Enforcement Agency
                        Rudy Giuliani, Former Mayor of New York
                        Angela Davis--Social Activist and Politcial Philsopher
                        Jules Debray--Writer and Government Official, France
                        Thomas Jefferson--U.S. President
                        Aung San Suu Kyi--Human Rights Activist, Nobel Peace Prize Winner (2002)
                        Robert MacNamara-- Secretary of Defense and Head of the World Bank
                        John Silber--Candidate for Governor of Massachusetts and President of Boston University
                        David Souter--Supreme Court Justice
                        Stephen Bryer, Surpreme Court Justice

                        ARTS AND LETTERS

                        Mary Higgins Clark--Mystery Writer
                        Ethan Coen--Film Maker
                        Arthur Davis, African-American writer & educator
                        Deepa Mehta, Indo-Canadian filmmaker
                        Umberto Eco--Novelist and Semiologist
                        Ken Follett--British Writer
                        Michael Frayn--Novelist
                        Northrup Frye--Literary Critic
                        Martin Gardner--Essayist
                        Philip Glass--Composer
                        Rebecca Goldstein--Novelist
                        Claude Lanzsmann--Film Maker
                        Charles Johnson, African-American auhtor; contributor to founding os discipline of "Black Stuides"
                        Ira Levin--Writer
                        Iris Murdoch--Novelist
                        Steve Reich--Composer
                        Meyer Schapiro--Art Critic
                        Wallace Shawn--Playwright and Actor
                        Susan Sontag--Writer
                        David Foster Wallace--Novelist
                        Robert Motherwell -- Painter

                        RELIGION

                        Joseph Bernardin--Cardinal, Chicago
                        Mircea Eliade--Religious Studies
                        Michael Lerner--Editor/Publisher Tikkun Magazine
                        George Pires, Nobel Peace Prize (1958)
                        Madelyn Murray O'Hair-- Famous Atheist
                        Pope John Paul II--Vicar of Christ

                        Nobel Prize Winners

                        Rudolph Euken (Literature 1908)
                        Pearl Buck (Literaure 1937)
                        Albert Schweitzer (Peace, 1952)
                        Jean-Marie Lehn (Chemistry 1987)
                        P. Michael Spense (Economics 2001)
                        Aung San Suu Kyi (Peace, 2002

                        They forgot Bertrand Russell. But I guess he is most famous for being a philosopher.
                        Only feebs vote.

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                        • #237
                          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                          Dude, I'd rather own Fiat than be a CEO of a 'successful technology company'... well except if that company is Microsoft .
                          I'd rather be the CEO of IBM, Microsoft, or Intel myself...

                          Fiat is rather dinky in comparison.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #238
                            Originally posted by Agathon
                            Carly Fiorina - mediaeval history and philosophy at Stanford.
                            CARLY!?

                            LOL.

                            You do realize how widely hated she is, and how many people think she's grossly inept and demand her head.

                            Steve Thomas--Host, This Old House
                            Alex Trebek--Host Jeoprady
                            Stone Philips, Broadcaster

                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #239
                              I'm particularly proud of Bruce Lee.
                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • #240
                                You do realize how widely hated she is, and how many people think she's grossly inept and demand her head.
                                Could it have anything to do with the fact that she's a woman in a man's world?

                                As for the rest, it just shows how you don't know what you are talking about. Jeez.. we've got the ****ing pope on our side.
                                Only feebs vote.

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