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  • #16
    Here's an Iraq story from the BBC today:

    Iraqi 'militants' held after raid

    US and Iraqi forces have arrested 63 suspected militants during a major security operation in central Baghdad.
    Amid gun battles, they sealed off the Haifa Street area in response to mortar attacks on nearby Iraqi ministries and the US and British embassies.

    Iraqi police say those held include Syrians, Lebanese and Egyptians.

    During the operation, a car packed with explosives rammed a police convoy in the Rashid Street district, killing three policemen and injuring 37 people.

    Earlier, American troops foiled another attack when they shot at a car containing at least one suicide bomber, who drove at their checkpoint near the River Tigris.

    There was also violence in the restive city of Falluja, west of Baghdad, where at least three people were killed in a new US air strike on Friday.

    The US military described it as "another successful precision strike" on "foreign terrorists" led by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

    The US had previously said it killed up to 60 militants in air attacks aimed at Mr Zarqawi and his followers in and around Falluja.

    The health ministry said 44 people had been killed.

    Falluja and surrounding areas have been a hotbed of resistance to US forces and the interim Iraqi government.

    The US military announced on Friday that another of its soldiers had been killed during "security and stability operations" in the Falluja area.

    Witnesses near Rashid Street said an attacker drove up to a convoy of six police vehicles before blowing up his car at about 1230 local time (0830 GMT).

    A large crater was gouged in the road and US troops and Iraqi police tried to clear the area, as ambulances rushed to treat the wounded.


    "The suicide bomber was driving a Chevrolet Malibu. He smashed his car against the police vehicle," interior ministry spokesman Adnan Abdul Rahman was quoted as saying by the AFP news agency.

    Correspondents say the Rashid Street area of Baghdad is usually teeming with shoppers, but is traditionally less crowded on a Friday, the first day of the weekend in Iraq.

    The earlier car-bomb blast came as suspected suicide attackers drove towards a security checkpoint near the Tigris river that flows through the heart of Baghdad.

    Reports say the car blew up when it was fired on.

    In the southern city of Basra, one British soldier was injured during clashes with fighters loyal to militant Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr.

    British troops later raided Mr Sadr's office in the city.

    "During their search of the building, a large quantity of weapons and explosives were found," said a British military spokesman.
    A funny idea of 'omitting culpability.'

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    • #17
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      Israel raids kill 10 Palestinians

      It is the bloodiest day in the West Bank for months
      Ten Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces making back-to-back raids in two northern West Bank towns.
      Fighting began in Nablus before dawn when troops from an elite commando unit surrounded a building holding suspected militants in the Old City.

      Five fighters from the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and another group were killed. A Palestinian girl was shot by troops after the fighting, witnesses said.


      Here's an example. I can't recall the last time I read one of these reports without some child being killed by 'troops' 'according to witnesses'. This one 'after the fighting' too. Gosh, they like blood.
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      • #18
        The question is this- does that imply that Israeli soldiers are crap at shooting, or that Palestinian kids are too ****ing stupid to duck?
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        • #19
          Curiously, the murdered child is not the story. It would be to me. No, the story is that the Israelis wasted 9 or 10 bad guys, oh and they killed a child after the shooting stopped for good measure.

          The child is thrown in there as sort of a salad course between the soup and the entre. Noone really ever remembers it, it's just there with every meal.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by notyoueither
            Curiously, the murdered child is not the story. It would be to me. No, the story is that the Israelis wasted 9 or 10 bad guys, oh and they killed a child after the shooting stopped for good measure.
            That's just down to how we react. To me, the main story would be "the bloodiest day in the West Bank for months".
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            • #21
              Originally posted by notyoueither
              How many civilians dead in bombing of Baghdad, Laz? How many column inches (or minutes of air time) in depicting British and American forces as brutal conquerors?

              The bias is there for you to observe, Laz. It is a bomb, sans frontiers, that kills Iraqis. It is an Israeli bomb that kills Palestinians. It might not be accurate, but you'd have to do more than scream 'poo' to counter it.
              Sorry- missed this one.

              From the BBC, this very morning.

              (Edit- correction. It was last Monday)

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              • #22
                Er... The BBC is a paragon of goose-step pro-Israel reporting compared to most Swedish media. Here the idea is to show the true picture, namely that Israel is a fascist oppressor of the palestinian people, which is the only version of events that has any verisimilitude.
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                • #23
                  What strikes this American as funny is that there is a BBC at all. Socialized broadcasting is an anachronism that should be ended.
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                  • #24
                    ....and yet 30 seconds of work with Google produces the following BBC article...

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                    ...which calls Hamas terrorists and explains why they are terrorists.

                    Great
                    You had to seek a 3 year old article to find the almost single time the BBC refers to Hamas as terrorists.

                    Sadly however this example is statistically insignificant, especially when you consider the most important part of BBC work - Its television and radio - where they continuously refer to Hamas as "militants".


                    You like to downplay the effects of the mitigating circumstances and slightly different wording used by the BBC, claiming its all a bunch of poop and amounts to nothing.

                    However that is untrue. What it does amount to is a continuous attempt to give british and american forces actions a context (which is always mitigating, since they do act with logic), and contrary to that, there is a continuous BBC attempt to report the Israeli actions as "lacking" context.

                    When the BBC reports "US marines attacked a speeding Iraqi car full of civilians because they disobyed orders to stop, and the marines are afraid of the attacks, which occur daily in checkpoints" the BBC-crowd usually goes "oh, those poor soldiers have to face such difficult decisions".

                    When the BBC reports "Israeli soldiers shot a Palestinian car full of civilians in an imposed roadblock which amounts to mass punishment" the BBC-crowd usually goes "oh, those bastard intolerant trigger happy Israeli soldiers".

                    While in reality- the two cases are exactly the same.


                    I know you like to think that you're so smart that it has no effects on you and your critical reading ability allows you to see straight through those nonsense - but I think you're wrong. I think that hearing on a daily basis how the Israelis killed palestinians, without hearing of the circumstances, amounts to creating a false picture of the events.


                    An example in the article I brought shows how much the BBC went out of its way to explain that a camera is very similar to an RPG, when American troops accidentally shot a camera man.


                    When Israeli troops did that however, there was no such attempt, and the viewers were left with the suggestion that the Israelis may have done that on purpose. The article even omits that it happenned during the night, and during a fire-exchange.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
                      Er... The BBC is a paragon of goose-step pro-Israel reporting compared to most Swedish media. Here the idea is to show the true picture, namely that Israel is a fascist oppressor of the palestinian people, which is the only version of events that has any verisimilitude.
                      Your use of fancy words in hope it gives your claims credibility is especially amusing.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sirotnikov

                        Great
                        You had to seek a 3 year old article to find the almost single time the BBC refers to Hamas as terrorists.
                        Do I get a "great" for the 2004 one too?

                        Let me reassure you that we get plenty of coverage of suicide bomb attacks on Israeli civilians on the BBC. No attempt is made to cover that up or make heroes of the bomber.

                        I know you like to think that you're so smart that it has no effects on you and your critical reading ability allows you to see straight through those nonsense - but I think you're wrong. I think that hearing on a daily basis how the Israelis killed palestinians, without hearing of the circumstances, amounts to creating a false picture of the events.
                        Whereas you yourself are possessed with the 100% insight of omnipresence coupled with a natural ability to discern "The Truth!" from your own crusading and unbiased media sources?

                        I get my news from many sources, and I don't think the BBC is on any sort of anti-Israel crusade. The cultural divide may account for much- in Britain right now the words "Arab militant" or "Arab fanatic" probably arouse far more fear and loathing than "terrorist". Through watching the BBC, I think my nation's public are quite satisfied that among Hamas are wings that make the IRA look like Carmelite nuns.
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                        • #27
                          Actually it's cause I couldn't think of any other synonym for "true". I've done way too much philosophy at university.
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                          • #28
                            Why don't you Brits simply sell the BBC to the highest bidder?
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                            • #29
                              [SIZE=1] Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp [/SIZE
                              I get my news from many sources, and I don't think the BBC is on any sort of anti-Israel crusade. The cultural divide may account for much- in Britain right now the words "Arab militant" or "Arab fanatic" probably arouse far more fear and loathing than "terrorist".
                              The same thought occured to me. I'm baffled at the assumption in Sirotnikov's accusation that "militant" or "fanatic" somehow whitewashes the Palestinians and portrays them as the good guys.
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                              • #30
                                I assume in the Nedaverse there are private, ad-financed channels that produce quality programming.
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