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  • The Pentagon Papers, Iraq Edition

    Intelligence report: Iraq prospects bleak

    Thursday, September 16, 2004 Posted: 12:16 PM EDT (1616 GMT)

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- A highly classified National Intelligence Estimate assembled by some of the government's most senior analysts this summer provided a pessimistic assessment about the future security and stability of Iraq.

    The National Intelligence Council looked at the political, economic and security situation in the war-torn country and determined -- at best -- the situation would be tenuous in terms of stability, a U.S. official said late Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

    At worst, the official said, were "trend lines that would point to a civil war." The official said it "would be fair" to call the document "pessimistic."

    The intelligence estimate, which was prepared for President Bush, considered the window of time between July and the end of 2005. But the official noted that the document, which spans roughly 50 pages, draws on intelligence community assessments from January 2003, before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and the subsequent deteriorating security situation there. (2 Americans, Briton kidnapped in Baghdad)

    The latest assessment was undertaken by the National Intelligence Council, a group of senior intelligence officials who provide long-term strategic thinking for the entire U.S. intelligence community but report to the director of central intelligence, now acting CIA Director John McLaughlin. He and the leaders of the other intelligence agencies approved it.

    The estimate contrasts with public comments of Bush and his senior aides who speak more optimistically about the prospects for a peaceful and free Iraq. "We're making progress on the ground," Bush said at his Texas ranch late last month.

    A CIA spokesman declined to comment Wednesday night, and a National Security Council spokesman could not be reached for comment.

    The document was first reported by the New York Times on its Web site Wednesday night.

    It is the first formal assessment of Iraq since the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on the threat posed by fallen Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

    . . .

    "Our committee heard blindly optimistic people from the administration prior to the war and people outside the administration -- what I call the 'dancing in the street crowd,' that we just simply will be greeted with open arms," Lugar said. "The nonsense of all of that is apparent. The lack of planning is apparent."


    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

  • #2
    what a cluster*
    "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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    • #3
      Yet Bush will say that everything is alright, and the cheering hordes will believe him.

      Democracy is dead.
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #4
        Godwin, Vietnam Edition

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        • #5
          soooo depressing - people never learn............
          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Verto
            Godwin, Vietnam Edition
            Where Godwin?
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #7
              The latest assessment was undertaken by the National Intelligence Council, a group of senior intelligence officials who provide long-term strategic thinking for the entire U.S. intelligence community
              Then why are they providing a short term assessment?

              Clearly the insurgency has thrown a monkey wrench into the works, but I have to believe most Iraqis want to be more free than under Saddam. We can stay and help them or we can cut and run and leave a mess and that would be the third time we backstabbed the Iraqi people.

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              • #8
                Yet Bush will say that everything is alright, and the cheering hordes will believe him.

                Democracy is dead.
                One of the gripes against the market is that most people lack the information needed to make wise consumer decisions, it appears Democracy suffers from the same problem.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Agathon
                  Yet Bush will say that everything is alright, and the cheering hordes will believe him.

                  Democracy is dead.
                  Not really.

                  His own party in Congress just blasted him today on the reconstruction efforts.
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #10
                    but I have to believe most Iraqis want to be more free than under Saddam.
                    But not at the beck and call of the US. That the US is planning to set up its largest "embassy" in Iraq would worry any Iraqi nationalist.

                    One of the gripes against the market is that most people lack the information needed to make wise consumer decisions, it appears Democracy suffers from the same problem.
                    That's a wise comment. I agree to a certain extent.

                    However, the best arguments for democracy are that it tends to be quite quick at getting rid of absolutely terrible governments even if the governments it does produce are nothing to write home about.

                    But one of the things pushed by both liberals and conservatives is that democracies are a panacea when it comes to international relations. The idea is supposed to be that the democratic will won't stand for aggressive moves that lack any real justification.

                    Bush and Blair have shown that this is simply not true. There aren't enough people who care enough about what goes on outside their nation's borders to make a difference and political structures have become ossified to make any realistic foreign policy alternatives impossible.

                    ergo - there is reason to believe that nation-state democracies cannot solve the world's problems.

                    Now... where's my rifle and beret?
                    Only feebs vote.

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                    • #11
                      His own party in Congress just blasted him today on the reconstruction efforts.
                      What!?! Spine!?!

                      I am flabbertigabbitigasted.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #12
                        It's true, they even used harsh language:

                        "It's beyond pitiful, it's beyond embarrassing, it's now in the zone of dangerous," said Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska, referring to figures showing only about 6 percent of the reconstruction money approved by Congress last year has been spent.
                        Hagel, Committee Chairman Richard Lugar, R-Indiana, and other committee members have long argued -- even before the war -- that administration plans for rebuilding Iraq were inadequate and based on overly optimistic assumptions that Americans would be greeted as liberators. (Biden questions fitness of Iraqi security force)

                        But the criticism from the panel's top Republicans had an extra sting coming less than seven weeks before the presidential election in which President Bush's handling of the war is a top issue.

                        "Our committee heard blindly optimistic people from the administration prior to the war and people outside the administration -- what I call the 'dancing in the street crowd,' that we just simply will be greeted with open arms," Lugar said. "The nonsense of all of that is apparent. The lack of planning is apparent."

                        He said the need to shift the reconstruction funds was clear in July, but the administration was slow to make the request.

                        "This is an extraordinary, ineffective administrative procedure. It is exasperating from anybody looking at this from any vantage point," he said.
                        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                        • #13
                          I seem to recall Hagel as being one of the few Republicans (and frankly one of the few Senators) who occasionally utters an original thought.
                          Only feebs vote.

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                          • #14
                            You guys really need to vote that nut out.
                            Only feebs vote.

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                            • #15
                              I just edited it. Also read Lugar's scathing comments.
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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