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  • Berz, well it looks like the Dems have really shot themselves in the foot this time. As I said, this has got to hurt Kerry.
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    • And I predicted early on Kerry would edge Bush out, now it's looking like a landslide. I tell ya, the GOP Convention just destroyed Kerry.

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      • I was reading on Drudge that Kerry has not answered a reporter's question in more than month.

        Ouch!
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        • Kerry had seemed to have moved away from campaigning on Vietnam over to attacking Bush on the economy and campaigning on that. This incident is really going to interfere with this transition. But if Kerry can stay on message, shut up about this Vietnam crap, and realize that "It's the economy stupid", then we'll have a real race.


          The economy isn't bad enough for Kerry to use it as a winning issue. The only way he can take down Bush is to go after Bush on the war in Iraq. Kerry doesn't have the balls (or the necessary past record of opposition) to do that, though, so all he's really going to do now is try to go down with dignity.

          This incident severely lowers the chances of that happening, though.

          Better to laugh all the time, I get to do that because I don't care which of these people get elected and it's just really funny watching the spat nationally and here at Poly.


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          • You may have got your wish, Dan!

            Anatomy of a Forgery
            By The Prowler
            Published 9/10/2004 12:09:06 AM


            More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

            The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

            "More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."


            The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."

            The documents that CBS News used were not documents from any of Bush's personnel files from his time in the National Guard. Rather, CBS News stated that they were documents uncovered in the personnel files of Killian. That would explain why the White House or the Pentagon had never before released or even seen them.

            According to a Kerry campaign source, there was little gossip about the supposedly hot documents inside the office of the campaign on McPherson Square. "Those documents were not something anyone was talking about or trying to generate buzz on," says the staffer. "It wasn't like there were small groups of people talking about this as a bombshell. I think people here weren't sure what to make of it, because provenance of these documents was uncertain."

            A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.

            "The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."

            The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.

            Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."

            ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.

            According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.


            DAN IS DONE Re: The Washington Prowler’s Anatomy of a Forgery: Gents (and ladies): Concentrate on three evidential words: CHAIN OF CUSTODY CBS must show that the documents they display were known to be in existence from creation through decades...


            If true, this thing just keeps getting better and better...
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            • If it's Rove's idea then I'd be more inclined to vote for Kerry. Who would want such a man to have the president's ear?
              I'm consitently stupid- Japher
              I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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              • ...and if the Kerry campaign is the source? Would you want such people to have the Presiden't ear?
                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                • If Rove pulled this off I'd pull him from the campaign and have him take over in Iraq.
                  He's got the Midas touch.
                  But he touched it too much!
                  Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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                  • Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                    Interestingly, this is gonna discredit both the ABC and Boston Globe stories by association. Frankly, this is such an incredible boon for the Prez I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rove was behind it.

                    I knew it! I knew it! I knew the vast right wing conspiracy folk were going to try and spin this.

                    By the by, I am vindicated!!

                    Bloggosphere now 4

                    'Old" Media - 0


                    [taunt mode]
                    Ohhh GePap, where are you?
                    [/taunt mode]
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                    • It wouldn't surprise me if Rove or some other Republican was behind it, it's the sort of thing he'd do.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • Originally posted by Ned
                        If Rather is "shocked" and publicly apologizes when (not if) this forgery is confirmed, I would be shocked -- but pleasantly surprised -- as well.
                        It would be ohhh so pleasant if the smug SOB had to resign.
                        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                        “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                        • Originally posted by Berzerker


                          Better to laugh all the time, I get to do that because I don't care which of these people get elected and it's just really funny watching the spat nationally and here at Poly.
                          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                          • This is what happens when people hate someone so much , they are willing to do just about anything to get them out including look over the truth. There will be no victory if either of these guys win.
                            Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                            • I was watching the news this morning. Apparently the daughter of the Democrat pol, who has recently said that he "regrets" having "helped" Bush get into the NG at the request of Bush I, now says her Dad is lying. She has come out and said that her Dad told her the exact opposite in 2000, but has recently changed his story because he is writing a "book."
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                              • Isn't it pathetic how easily the Democrats are caught in lies trying to smear an honest man, nay, an honest family?

                                Democrats, don't you have any class whatsoever?
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