OMFG!!! ABC and CBS PWN Bush!!!

[Ned]

Originally posted by child of Thor
you need to kick the whole lot out and start over, i thought british politics was a murky place to be!!!

Kerry + Bush

This is a typical reaction to mudslinging campaigns. Mudslinging, though, is out of control in this campaign due to the recently enacted "Campaign finance reform" legislation that forces big money into independent organization outside of the nominal control of the candidate. This allows the mudslinging to be of the worst kind, including, it appears, forgeries, while the candidate can stay above it all because he can say that that ad was not placed by me.

[Dauphin]

What jokes about Americans where in Finding Nemo?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Alright, Che, I'll bite. Please quote the portion of the document that debunks the forgery theory.

By 1969, I was using an IBM Selectric typewriter, with proportional type balls. They were widely available in the public sector-and thus readily available to the military. I do not recall having used a Palatine typeface, but Times Roman was certainly common.

[Q Classic]

The last two movies put out by the Disney company were a story about a wild horse and a lost fish. In the horse movie, the white people, particularly the army, were unversally protrayed as evil, while the Indians were portrayed as nobel, oppressed victims.

i haven't seen the horse movie, but the native americans were oppressed victims... i don't know how one could think them anything but that.

In the Nemo movie, there are crass jokes about "Americans" and a character, portrayed as a hero, who is nothing more than a spaced out, drugged-addled hippie.

what crass jokes about americans? the movie was set in australia. how is a spaced-out, drug-addled hippie anti-american?
nemo, btw, was made by pixar, not disney.

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Since when has a Republican intern had presidential sperm splattered all over her evening dress?

since when has a Republican been offered a blow job by an intern?

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Since when has a Republican president published a book detailing how all those bimbos lied, when all the bimbos then, to a woman, say that the president is still lying.

i haven't read the book, but i'd like to see the citations for that, please.

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btw the indians were nobel, oppressed victims

the native americans never got any swedish prizes, last i checked.

[Q Classic]

In the Nemo movie, there are crass jokes about "Americans" and a character, portrayed as a hero, who is nothing more than a spaced out, drugged-addled hippie.

btw, i can't figure out who you're referring to as the spaced-out drug-addled hippie...

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

In the Nemo movie, there are crass jokes about "Americans" and a character, portrayed as a hero, who is nothing more than a spaced out, drugged-addled hippie.

btw, i can't figure out who you're referring to as the spaced-out drug-addled hippie...

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

By 1969, I was using an IBM Selectric typewriter, with proportional type balls. They were widely available in the public sector-and thus readily available to the military. I do not recall having used a Palatine typeface, but Times Roman was certainly common.

Read more doesn't describe the superscript th.

[Q Classic]

The turtle.

the turtle as a hero? jeez, he was in there maybe all of fifteen-twenty minutes, was clearly a "surfer dude"... there's no mention of drugs at all in that exchange--unless it's not possible to get high off of anything other than drugs... he wasn't particularly spaced-out, just easy-going... and how the hell is that anti-american?

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

The turtle.

the turtle as a hero? jeez, he was in there maybe all of fifteen-twenty minutes, was clearly a "surfer dude"... there's no mention of drugs at all in that exchange--unless it's not possible to get high off of anything other than drugs... he wasn't particularly spaced-out, just easy-going... and how the hell is that anti-american?

Don't ask me.

[Dauphin]

And in news today. Dolphins said they'd be suing the makers of Finding Nemo in a class action suit over defamation of character. "We thought it would be a fun movie to do. We had no idea they'd ridicule us and make us the brunt of a joke. I've been humiliated", said Ted the dolphin nephew of TV legend Flipper.

Also, following in the legal steps of the dolphins is an angry flock of seagulls. "First comes this goofy band in the eighties and now this crap. I mean, it's bad enough for us you know? We already get called names, like, Sh*t Hawk. I didn't need to be portrayed like this. Besides the whole idea for this movie was mine. Mine... mine........mine."

[Q Classic]

Sava, my kid is now grown up. But, if she were still young, I wouldn't let her see any movie produced by that scum Eisner.

btw, Finding Nemo didn't have Eisner as part of the staff at all...

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

More forensics... enough to create more than a shred of doubt

September 09, 2004
Are the CBS National Guard Documents Fake?
INDC Exclusive. Must Credit INDC.

Based on Powerline's suspicions of forgery over the documents put forth regarding George W. Bush’s National Guard service, I decided to do some legwork and track down the opinions of forensic document examiners that may have an expertise in old typefaces.

After contacting several experts, a rather notable Forensic Document Examiner named Dr. Peter Bouffard took the time to examine a pdf of the documents and perform an initial visual analysis of their authenticity. Dr. Bouffard has a PhD in Chemistry from the University of Michigan, but got involved in forensic examination of typefaces after working in “graphics” with NCR until 1973 and taking a two-year Certification Program in Document Examination at Georgetown University. After completing the program, he became specifically interested in typewriter classification and went to work for a prosecutor’s crime lab in Lake County, Ohio.

Using something called the Haas Atlas, the definitive collection of various typefaces, Mr. Bouffard (and other forensic document examiners) examined the veracity of various documents for over 30 years. Beginning in 1988, Mr. Bouffard hired a programmer to write a computer database program that catalogues the nearly 4,000 typefaces that appear in the Haas Atlas. This computer program is now a forensic standard that is sold as a companion to the Haas Atlas by American Society of Questioned Document Examiners (ASQDE).

What did Dr. Bouffard think of the documents?

First, the necessary caveats:

• The pdf document is of poor quality. It seems to have been copied and recopied several times, blurring letter characteristics.

• Also, certain types of analysis can only be done on the original documents, which don’t seem to be available, even to CBS.

So Dr. Bouffard is very clear that his analysis is not 100% positive. That being said …

“It’s just possible that this might be a Times Roman font, which means that it would have been created on a computer. It’s very possible that someone decided to create this document on a computer... I’ve run across this situation before … my gut is this could just well be a fabrication.”

The reasons why?

• Right off the bat, Dr. Bouffard noted what others in the blogosphere have been talking about – something called “proportional spacing,” which means that each letter does not take up the same amount of width on the page. On old typewriters that do not have proportional spacing, the letter “i” would be as wide as the letter “m.” Except for professional typesetting, proportional spacing was only available on a very few models (an IBM model, "Composer" and perhaps one or two other models) that were not widely available in 1972-73; the vast majority of typewriters did not have proportional spacing. Because of this, Dr. Bouffard’s computer program immediately eliminated “over 90%” of the possible fonts from typewriters that could create such a document, narrowing it down to perhaps 15 fonts used by a very few models.

• Next, Dr. Bouffard began entering individual characters in an attempt to match them to the remaining fonts that were available on proportional spacing typewriters of that era, focusing on numbers. Thus far, one character stood out, the number “4.” In the document provided by CBS News, the number 4 does not "have a foot" and has a “closed top,” which is indicative of Times New Roman, a font exclusive to more modern computer word processing programs. other characters matched the old proportional spacing fonts (available on only a small few typewriters of the era), but this number did not (please note that this is only an initial analysis with numerical characters).

Dr. Bouffard ran this number and could not find a match in his entire database of over 4,000 typewriter fonts that have been maintained and collected into his computer database since 1988. Otherwise, the font is very indicative of Times New Roman, the font that is only available on computer word processing programs.


The final word?

Once again, let’s not forget the qualifications: it's a bad copy of a copy and we have no original document for review, but, based on the initial analysis of the documents by an industry expert with over 30 years of experience in typesetting and forensic document examination, the documents “could just well be a fabrication.”

In light of this information, I think that it would be highly appropriate for CBS News and the Boston Globe to attempt to obtain a copy of the original document for more thorough vetting, and run a correction/addendum to the story.

I still have two other forensic document examiners that are examining the pdf file, and I will update if/when they get back to me. I also plan to ask Dr. Bouffard more detail about the nature of the "th" on the end of dates, though in our first conversation he indicated that some typewriters had the capability to do something in that format.

Just when you think 'old' media might be getting an ounce of credibility.

[Sava]

where's that from Ogie? Ann Coulter?

[Q Classic]

Ned, let's continue the Finding Nemo/Disney discussion here... I'd like to, since I am completely confused...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
More forensics... enough to create more than a shred of doubt

Just when you think 'old' media might be getting an ounce of credibility.

As opposed to the massive credability of the bloggosphere and the internet?

Oh, Ogie, your so cure when you are conspiratorial