left, right?

[Provost Harrison]

Is a bleet considered consent?

[Whaleboy]

You've just desribed an oppresive system. Right wing.

And yet fiscally, high taxes, the state owns all, private property is eliminated. As left is defined as such, it is a left system. Left is not defined in any other way, thus you revert to the graph above.

[Whaleboy]

I'm fiscally left wing but very socially liberal - people should be able to ****, marry, worship, take anything they want as long as it's consenting.

Thus you would be left wing, and liberal (at least, as far as a comparison to others are concerned)

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Is a bleet considered consent?

One bleat for yes, two for no, three for stick it in my... er... never mind.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
And yet fiscally, high taxes, the state owns all, private property is eliminated. As left is defined as such, it is a left system. Left is not defined in any other way, thus you revert to the graph above.

High taxes don't make a left wing system. It depends on what those taxes are spent on. I could give a huge list of right wing govts with extremely high taxes. A left wing govt opperates in the interest of the people. All of them, not just a select group.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Whaleboy


Thus you would be left wing, and liberal (at least, as far as a comparison to others are concerned)

liberal and left wing are mutually exclusive even if you have those who aren't sure which one they are.

[Whaleboy]

High taxes don't make a left wing system. It depends on what those taxes are spent on. I could give a huge list of right wing govts with extremely high taxes. A left wing govt opperates in the interest of the people. All of them, not just a select group.

I'm sorry but the interests of the people? (I'm going to enjoy this) care to elaborate?

Consider left to have socialist elements accordingly, so what would make them right wing governments? Totality per chance? If so, you're not addressing my argument, you're just going in circles for your own reiterated points, which I believe have been satisfactorily refuted.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Kidicious
High taxes don't make a left wing system. It depends on what those taxes are spent on. I could give a huge list of right wing govts with extremely high taxes. A left wing govt opperates in the interest of the people. All of them, not just a select group.

If you've dissolved private property, having everything owned by the state, you have a left wing system, regardless of whether or not it is totalitarian or libertarian. Are you arguing that Stalin, a communist, was right wing? Or that the oppressive communist Chinese regimes were right wing?

[Whaleboy]

liberal and left wing are mutually exclusive even if you have those who aren't sure which one they are.

Ok let me put this another way. I'm a right-wing liberal. That means I'm a libertarian, a pacifist etc. I also consider a free market a good idea, with low taxes and minimal, essentialist public spending. Would you consider me left-wing or right-wing?

[Q Classic]

fiscal moderate right, socially liberal.

[Whaleboy]

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Consider left to have socialist elements accordingly, so what would make them right wing governments? Totality per chance? If so, you're not addressing my argument, you're just going in circles for your own reiterated points, which I believe have been satisfactorily refuted.

You aren't making any argument. You are just making subjective generalized assumptions. Like collectivization is right wing.

You can't have socialist elements in a right wing govt. You either have a system where all people are treated equally and they are not oppressed by the govt, or you have a system where some people are given special priviledges and or the govt oppresses people. The first is left, the second is right.

[MikeH]

I am socially liberal and financially left wing. Nothing exlusive about the two unless you take them to ridiculous extremes.

People should be allowed to do whatever they want socially/sexually/religiously etc, as long as they don't harm/infringe on the freedoms of other people and there should be taxation based welfare including free education and healthcare for all and assistance for living costs for people unable to work as well as police, a fair court system, defence etc. Free market is ok as long as you prevent exploitation and monopolies. Basically in the UK we are fairly close to that, but a bit too socially restrictive.

Actually, free education was one of the things in Marx's Communist Manifesto and most people in the western world take that for granted these days.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Drogue

If you've dissolved private property, having everything owned by the state, you have a left wing system, regardless of whether or not it is totalitarian or libertarian. Are you arguing that Stalin, a communist, was right wing? Or that the oppressive communist Chinese regimes were right wing?

Stalin only claimed to be left wing. No one can prevent people from claiming anything. The fact is, that he was one of the most right wing in history.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Whaleboy


Ok let me put this another way. I'm a right-wing liberal. That means I'm a libertarian, a pacifist etc. I also consider a free market a good idea, with low taxes and minimal, essentialist public spending. Would you consider me left-wing or right-wing?

You are a classical liberal which really doesn't fit into the present context. You are right wing because you support a system of haves and have nots. You probably believe that your right to your property is more important than others right to life, and other silliness.