Republican National Convention

[chequita guevara]

One of my comrades was arrested as he was standing around. The cops were after one person, fired a net on the crowd, and arrested everyone inside. Nope, no police state here.

[Ming]

I don't watch Fox News

Yes, they have rounded up more people than the 1968 Convention here in Chicago... but there are also FAR MORE protesters in New York. This is (according to every internet newsourse I've seen) the largest protests in New York Cities History.

As far as your "claims" they are round up innocent non protesters... I can't find proof of that even at the pro protester sites.

It seems like there are counter claims in the bike riders protest that they were blocking access, and the protesters claimed they weren't.

And in other round ups, there are claims of civil disorder and claims of police brutality... none of which have any facts to support them yet

There are claims that the police are using more agressive round up tactics... and even the police indicate they are doing it selectively... but both sides claim it's better that the alternative... ie, wide spread police brutality...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy


And just why aren't people listening? I'll tell you why. Because those Democrats with their immoral policies support minorities and minorities usually do not have their voices heard in a Democratic society.

This is a good thing, in my opinion, because minorities are usually wrong about what's best for the country and majorities are usually right about what's best for the country.

But with all these unelected activist judges in America and the ACLU and other leftist political organizations using these judges to their advantage, there is something terribly wrong going on this country right now.

Conformism has to go.

[GePap]

Originally posted by rah
Actually I haven't watched FOX News, I've been watching liberal biased ABC and they did show those things. That doesn't change my opinion of the crowd.

So if the cops make a few extra arrests, you have the right to break the law? It just doesn't wash.

How is arresting people doing nothing illegal "just an extra arrest"? I bet if you happen to be on a sidewlak, the cops came and corralled you then arrested you and held you for 30 hours, you would not call it just "an extra arrest".

[rah]

From what I've seen, the cops have seemed to be a bit aggressive. I don't think that's right. But that doesn't excuse the mob. You seem to imply that it does. I'm willing to bet that 90% of the Police department is Democratic so I doubt it's partisian.

And if I was there and was arrested, (highly doubtful) that wouldn't excuse me to break the law. Your logic doesn't hold water.

[Drake Tungsten]

If I've been following the news correctly, the cops didn't get aggressive until one of their own got beaten unconcious by a protestor. Can't say I blame them for being a little more pro-active after that happened.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Can't say I blame them for being a little more pro-active after that happened.

Considering the fact this is the NYPD, I'd say the protestors should be glad the cops haven't opened fire on the crowd after one of thier own was nearly killed.

[Drake Tungsten]

Any broom-handle sodomy, yet?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by rah
I've been watching liberal biased ABC and they did show those things.

Any network embedded with the US military is not liberal biased.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
If I've been following the news correctly, the cops didn't get aggressive until one of their own got beaten unconcious by a protestor. Can't say I blame them for being a little more pro-active after that happened.

The news obviously got their story from the police.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Any network embedded with the US military is not liberal biased.

Compared to FOX they are

But seriously... I've been getting information from many different places... realizing the probable bias, but trying to get a balanced picture. Anybody that relies on just the left or right biased media has no hope of getting the truth... because the truth is probably somewhere between the two different views

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ming


Compared to FOX they are

But seriously... I've been getting information from many different places... realizing the probable bias, but trying to get a balanced picture. Anybody that relies on just the left or right biased media has no hope of getting the truth... because the truth is probably somewhere between the two different views

I don't find that to be true. The middle of the road news doesn't seem to get at any truth unless it's painfully obvious. I even get rightwing news, and admit that they tell some truth that the middle and left don't tell.

[Ramo]

Zell gets pwned on CNN:

JUDY WOODRUFF, CNN ANCHOR: Senator Miller, the Democrats are pointing out that John Kerry voted for 16 of 19 defense budgets that came through Congress while he was in the Senate, and many of these votes that you cited (in criticizing John Kerry in your speech), Dick Cheney also voted against, that they were specific weapons systems.

MILLER: What I was talking about was a period of 19 years in the Senate. I've been in the Senate for four years. There's quite a few years' difference there. I have gotten documentation on every single one of those votes that I talked about here today. I've got more documentation here than the Library of Congress and the New York Public Library put together on that.

JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN SENIOR ANALYST: You also were, I would say, almost indignant that anyone would possibly call America military occupiers, not liberators, on at least four occasions. President Bush has referred to the presence of American forces in Iraq as an occupation, and the question is: Are you not selectively choosing words to describe the same situation the president of the United States is describing?

MILLER: I don't know if the president of the United States uses those words, but I know Senator Kennedy and Senator Kerry have used them on several occasions.

GREENFIELD: Yes. So has President Bush.

MILLER: Well, I don't know about that.

GREENFIELD: Well, we'll...

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: You know that when the secretary -- when the vice president was the secretary of defense he proposed cutting back on the B-2 Bomber, the F-14 Tomcat as well. I covered him at the Pentagon during those years when he was raising serious concerns about those two weapons systems.

MILLER: Look, the record is, as I stated, he voted against, he opposed all of those weapons systems. That, to me, I think shows the kind of priority he has as far as national defense. Look, John Kerry came back from Vietnam as a young man unsure of whether America was a force for good or evil in the world. He still has that uncertainty about him.

WOODRUFF: You praised him...

GREENFIELD: Then why did you say in 2001 that he strengthened the military? You said that three years ago.

MILLER: Because that was the biographical sketch that they gave me. This young senator -- not young senator, but new senator had come up there, and all I knew was that this man had won the Purple Heart three times and won the Silver Star and...

Look, I went back and researched the records, and I looked at these, and I -- when I was putting that speech together, I wanted to make sure, whenever I sat down with people like you who would take these talking points from the Democrats and who also have covered politics for years, that I would know exactly what I was talking about, and we don't have time to go through it on the air, but I can go through every one of those things that were mentioned about where he voted.

He voted against the B-1 Bomber...

BLITZER: A lot of--

MILLER:-- on October the 15th, '90, and on and on.

WOODRUFF: But do you simply reject the idea that Vice President Cheney, as Wolf said and as we know from the record, also voted against some of these systems?

MILLER: I don't think Cheney voted against these.

BLITZER: No, but he opposed some of them when he was the defense secretary, and sometimes he was overruled by the Congress because he was concerned, he was worried that the defense of the United States could be better served by some other weapons systems, not specifically those. I'm specifically referring to the B-2 and the F-14 Tomcat.

MILLER: I'm talking about John Kerry's record. I'll let Dick Cheney, the vice president, answer those charges. He knows what happened in the Department of Defense years ago. I don't know that.

But I do know, because I've looked it up and it's there for everyone to see, that he voted against those positions as far as those weapons were concerned. He voted against all the weapons that really won the war against Communism, the Cold War and that are now winning the war on terror.

BLITZER: I know you have to move on because you have other things to do, but when you were speaking tonight -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- you seemed very angry.

MILLER: Me angry?

BLITZER: Yes, sir.

MILLER: No, no. I'm sorry if I gave that appearance.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I hadn't realized Cheney as Sec Def had the opportunity to vote.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I don't find that to be true. The middle of the road news doesn't seem to get at any truth unless it's painfully obvious.

I guess I didn't make myself clear... (it won't be the first time) My comments meant that I try to read stories from both perspectives, and then in most cases, realize the truth is somewhere between the two different versions... not that I read middle of the road news...